โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย Drenegade:

This kind of tone-deaf nonsense is exactly why I stopped playing Stellaris.

I wish they would STOP beating the dead horse and stop updating it.... modders have always and will always be outperforming ANYTHING the devs can create and do ... but with all these constant half baked updates its just a never ending cylce of mods breaking... so many modders gave up updating until the devs leave and many said screw it all together because they're sick of it and I totally get it... their hard work gone to waste for mediocre updates and "DLCs" if you can even call them that....

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย lolqeeeeee:

This is certainly not the place to ask this question, but I’ll ask anyway))

When is the new DLC? Is it possible to somehow describe it in one word?))))

Expensive

yay new 100$ dlc with 5 mins on content

I don't understand why people here are acting like Subscription is ruining their lives. Paradox is a company, obviously it does what makes the most money. Each decision, however questionable, is not senseless and it is up to the players to choose whether to give money to Paradox, not to do it or to do it less.

It's clear that a long-term subscription is ridiculously more expensive than buying all the DLC (especially when it's on sale), but not all players will want to play Stellaris for more than a few days per year and some would probably find it worthwhile to pay that price to try all the DLC for just one month and evaluate whether they are worth the price.

Could this have secondary consequences on the quality of the DLC? Likely, but it wouldn't really be a consequence of this, but of the disengagement of Paradox who is simply getting money more easily. I don't think you can blame them, because despite everything they remain one of the most popular gaming companies. If you have to blame someone you should blame the mass of people who favor this model and not one less detached from the public and less money-grabbing.

Does this mean we all have to bow to Paradox? Absolutely no. This means that if you really are against Paradox's policies, all you have to do is not favor them, spending as little as possible if you like one of their games but don't think it's right to pay the proposed price. And trust me, on the internet you can pay for something literally as much as you want. I don't think this is ethically incorrect, if you don't think Paradox's methods are ethically correct.
This is capitalism, it is cruel and frustrating but it has the advantage of depending on everyone's actions.

The subscription model would be easier to swallow if the DLCs were all a more consistent price. Astral Planes seems vastly less valuable than Overlord for example yet the pricing doesn't really reflect that.

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย Data:

The subscription model would be easier to swallow if the DLCs were all a more consistent price. Astral Planes seems vastly less valuable than Overlord for example yet the pricing doesn't really reflect that.

I still believe that the subscription, if it has to exist at all, should reflect the fact that we're talking about one game only. It is currently priced like Netflix and just a little less than the PC Gamepass which both offer an amount of content that goes so much beyond one title. As it is right now, it's not worth it from any side you look at it.

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย JackTheGamer21:

I don't understand why people here are acting like Subscription is ruining their lives. Paradox is a company, obviously it does what makes the most money. Each decision, however questionable, is not senseless and it is up to the players to choose whether to give money to Paradox, not to do it or to do it less.

It's clear that a long-term subscription is ridiculously more expensive than buying all the DLC (especially when it's on sale), but not all players will want to play Stellaris for more than a few days per year and some would probably find it worthwhile to pay that price to try all the DLC for just one month and evaluate whether they are worth the price.

Could this have secondary consequences on the quality of the DLC? Likely, but it wouldn't really be a consequence of this, but of the disengagement of Paradox who is simply getting money more easily. I don't think you can blame them, because despite everything they remain one of the most popular gaming companies. If you have to blame someone you should blame the mass of people who favor this model and not one less detached from the public and less money-grabbing.

Does this mean we all have to bow to Paradox? Absolutely no. This means that if you really are against Paradox's policies, all you have to do is not favor them, spending as little as possible if you like one of their games but don't think it's right to pay the proposed price. And trust me, on the internet you can pay for something literally as much as you want. I don't think this is ethically incorrect, if you don't think Paradox's methods are ethically correct.
This is capitalism, it is cruel and frustrating but it has the advantage of depending on everyone's actions.

Implying this monetisation strategy will not have a consequence on the game is ignorant, wilfully so or otherwise.

For one, it grants incentive to stretch out the time between DLC. Lets say 100 people buy the new DLC as it comes out for (for the sake of argument) 10 dollars, while 100 different people subscribe for 10 dollars per month. If new DLC came out every month, both groups would be giving the same amount to PDX, at the same rate. But, if PDX slows the rate of development down to a new DLC every 2 months, the second group is still paying their subscription price for what is functionally no content. And because they'll have access to no DLC if they cancel their subscription during a lull period, they have to either give up the full experience of the game they already paid full retail price for, or pay for the privilege of just maintaining their rental. But PDX doesn't care. They make the 100 dollars from the second group anyway, and potentially for less cost. And nothing is stopping them from ceasing development altogether to continue draining 10 dollars per month in perpetuity, while forgoing new DLC completely.

That's another thing; the paid model being the only model meant every DLC that PDX released had to be of sterling quality to avoid getting review-bombed and straight up ignored by the base. We as customers only had to pay for content we could see, review, and trust. The Subscription model, meanwhile, is paying for every piece of DLC on the list, regardless of quality, every month. And given PDX acknowledges how terrible some of their DLC are that they've had a team working exclusively for the updating and expansion of past DLC, they know some are bad. But with the Subscription model, what do they have to care that Apocalypse is actively broken for its achievements and moreover serves little real gameplay benefit beyond a highly exclusive playstyle? The sub model means people are 'buying' it anyway, regardless of quality. This is going to be the root cause of DLC quality degradation, not anonymous, faceless hordes you can strawman.

Further, the decision is on the heels of raising the base price of all DLC. Paying upwards of 20 bucks for content that is frankly not worth that kind of price. But that's the point; pricing the game out of what's reasonable to spend on purchasing, to make the at-a-glance subscription model seem more reasonable. It's not reasonable. Not when the ownership question makes your entire argument moot. But it becomes straight up unethical when their development systems make a game we purchased no longer available and actively degraded with each new system we choose not to buy into.

Bootlick all you like. The subscription model is an actively bleeding wound on this game physically, and Paradox as a company socially. The only way it gets reversed is people rallying against it and making clear we are happy to cost this company money if it means salvaging development stability and improving the overall health of the game. If they don't want to do that? If they want to squeeze this community dry and milk fanboys and unwitting whales? Stellaris can, and should burn.

I like new stuff. But it would be great if you made trade more exciting.

Offering bundles would of been a solution. Subscription is just a cash grab.

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย Demopan:

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย Jakaboom:

Not sure why you guys are surprised? They did the same with CKII already, and will keep doing the same for any game that is reached it's end of life as a product. They are probably working on a Stellaris II.

Someone here sucks at reading

yeah, you.

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย JackTheGamer21:

I don't understand why people here are acting like Subscription is ruining their lives. Paradox is a company, obviously it does what makes the most money. Each decision, however questionable, is not senseless and it is up to the players to choose whether to give money to Paradox, not to do it or to do it less.

It's clear that a long-term subscription is ridiculously more expensive than buying all the DLC (especially when it's on sale), but not all players will want to play Stellaris for more than a few days per year and some would probably find it worthwhile to pay that price to try all the DLC for just one month and evaluate whether they are worth the price.

Could this have secondary consequences on the quality of the DLC? Likely, but it wouldn't really be a consequence of this, but of the disengagement of Paradox who is simply getting money more easily. I don't think you can blame them, because despite everything they remain one of the most popular gaming companies. If you have to blame someone you should blame the mass of people who favor this model and not one less detached from the public and less money-grabbing.

Does this mean we all have to bow to Paradox? Absolutely no. This means that if you really are against Paradox's policies, all you have to do is not favor them, spending as little as possible if you like one of their games but don't think it's right to pay the proposed price. And trust me, on the internet you can pay for something literally as much as you want. I don't think this is ethically incorrect, if you don't think Paradox's methods are ethically correct.
This is capitalism, it is cruel and frustrating but it has the advantage of depending on everyone's actions.

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย Dawnheart:

1. They create a problem. The Problem = DLC is too much.
2. They create a solution. The Solution = Subscribe for $10 a month, for all the DLC, to 1 game.

The problem is entirely their fault. This game came out in May of 2016. That was almost 8 years ago. Yet they do not lower the prices of the DLC.

They created a solution to a problem they created. They are attempting to dress it up as doing the players a favor in a way for you to get access to the full game, but in the end, get absolutely nothing.

Do we really have to draw it out in crayon for people that care nothing about money to understand?

It's a subscription, to a single player game, at almost the cost of Game Pass per month, which has hundreds of games per month.

There is no value in that. 1800+ comments on this thread and not one defender could come up with a decent justification for this besides "you don't have to buy it".

Ya, we don't have to buy it. We also don't have to be quiet about it.

No matter what, it's overpriced, it's cringe, it's greedy, it's a scam.

You don't have to understand it, you also don't have to defend them either.

Would appreciate it if you didn't delete my or Heavy & Ze Medic's comments for no reason other than you don't like them MODS. Thanks

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย Dawnheart:

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย JackTheGamer21:

I don't understand why people here are acting like Subscription is ruining their lives. Paradox is a company, obviously it does what makes the most money. Each decision, however questionable, is not senseless and it is up to the players to choose whether to give money to Paradox, not to do it or to do it less.

It's clear that a long-term subscription is ridiculously more expensive than buying all the DLC (especially when it's on sale), but not all players will want to play Stellaris for more than a few days per year and some would probably find it worthwhile to pay that price to try all the DLC for just one month and evaluate whether they are worth the price.

Could this have secondary consequences on the quality of the DLC? Likely, but it wouldn't really be a consequence of this, but of the disengagement of Paradox who is simply getting money more easily. I don't think you can blame them, because despite everything they remain one of the most popular gaming companies. If you have to blame someone you should blame the mass of people who favor this model and not one less detached from the public and less money-grabbing.

Does this mean we all have to bow to Paradox? Absolutely no. This means that if you really are against Paradox's policies, all you have to do is not favor them, spending as little as possible if you like one of their games but don't think it's right to pay the proposed price. And trust me, on the internet you can pay for something literally as much as you want. I don't think this is ethically incorrect, if you don't think Paradox's methods are ethically correct.
This is capitalism, it is cruel and frustrating but it has the advantage of depending on everyone's actions.

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย Dawnheart:

1. They create a problem. The Problem = DLC is too much.
2. They create a solution. The Solution = Subscribe for $10 a month, for all the DLC, to 1 game.

The problem is entirely their fault. This game came out in May of 2016. That was almost 8 years ago. Yet they do not lower the prices of the DLC.

They created a solution to a problem they created. They are attempting to dress it up as doing the players a favor in a way for you to get access to the full game, but in the end, get absolutely nothing.

Do we really have to draw it out in crayon for people that care nothing about money to understand?

It's a subscription, to a single player game, at almost the cost of Game Pass per month, which has hundreds of games per month.

There is no value in that. 1800+ comments on this thread and not one defender could come up with a decent justification for this besides "you don't have to buy it".

Ya, we don't have to buy it. We also don't have to be quiet about it.

No matter what, it's overpriced, it's cringe, it's greedy, it's a scam.

You don't have to understand it, you also don't have to defend them either.

Would appreciate it if you didn't delete my or Heavy & Ze Medic's comments for no reason other than you don't like them MODS. Thanks

the mods have moved from agitation mode to stealth mode

We aren't violating their rules, so literally the only reason they could be doing it is because we're calling it out and they don't like it anyway. They'll silence those they don't like as if they were some sort of secret police.

But please, people, buy their subscription. They'll only silence you if you oppose them.

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย Heavy & Ze Medic:

We aren't violating their rules, so literally the only reason they could be doing it is because we're calling it out and they don't like it anyway. They'll silence those they don't like as if they were some sort of secret police.

Fair warning: mods can go as crazy as they want. If it is a forum ban by a forum moderator then steam usually won't touch it, and forum mods can literally ban *anyone* for *any* reason or deleted *any* post regardless of the rules, kinda crazy but it is what it is.

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย Heavy & Ze Medic:

We aren't violating their rules, so literally the only reason they could be doing it is because we're calling it out and they don't like it anyway. They'll silence those they don't like as if they were some sort of secret police.

But please, people, buy their subscription. They'll only silence you if you oppose them.

Just shows we are doing something right.