oracle

[UknowitsE]

just got the oracle...remember when that thing was good? Yet another victim of the eventual dev nerfing that happens with every game...now just a useless leader that is an arrogant AI to be scrapped for influence...what a shame, I would rather have a lvl 1 bio leader than some holo AI telling me free will is a flaw to be purged with nerve gas.

[Elitewrecker PT]

Wut… it’s an immortal and very good governor leader…

[Kufesska]

Originally posted by Elitewrecker PT:

Wut… it’s an immortal and very good governor leader…

her unique trait is good
but other traits are trash

while 500 influence is A LOT and scaled engineering researsh always nice

[dbean199]

whine.... I guess your good at it. You actually have a choice how it ends.

[MeniliteZ]

Originally posted by Kufesska:

Originally posted by Elitewrecker PT:

Wut… it’s an immortal and very good governor leader…

her unique trait is good
but other traits are trash

while 500 influence is A LOT and scaled engineering researsh always nice

Uh.. which traits are trash?

[UknowitsE]

Originally posted by dbean199:

whine.... I guess your good at it. You actually have a choice how it ends.

i didnt notice a choice between anything other than taking it on as a leader or scrapping it. I was half joking, half serious btw. The oracle used to give a permanent plus 10% to unity or something like that, and I dont really care about immortal leaders, the game always gives my leaders too many negative traits eventually (something you should be able to edit out some way I think, especially once you have genetic tech and such), also 500 influence is a good amount but I was making 9 a month and by the mid-end I usually end up making 20-30 or more i cant remember...the vanilla game had a problem with the influence storage limit so, mod enabled.

but back to my original point...really, free will is the problem you freakin AI? I don't think so, you can't handle the truth, this whole court is out of order, let off some steam Bennet!

[Kufesska]

Originally posted by MeniliteZ:

Originally posted by Kufesska:

her unique trait is good
but other traits are trash

while 500 influence is A LOT and scaled engineering researsh always nice

Uh.. which traits are trash?

Urbanist - −75% Empire size from districts (−37.5%) and −50% Building and district upkeep (−25%)
this is also a destiny trait, so Oracle won't get another one
how much much empire size from districts do you usually have, compared with other sources? and district upkeep is kinda sad too, maybe kinda usefl for rare resource upkeep of arcologies and ring segments, but that is destiny trait spent for few rare resources saved...
while you could have Shroud Preacher or Bot Lord

Principled II - +4 stability empire wide, while in council
but Oracle is industrialist official, no one gonna put it in council

Architectural Interest, well, some building speed is kidna useful
kinda
but not actually
don't forget that you already have techs that give you bigger build speed bonus

Oracle still gain some veteran traits cause she is level 10(not sure how much - 4? 6?)
but wasted destiny trait is a big loss
common traits could be much better too, like +unity% per level
maybe gestalts can deal with that, cause they do not get destiny traits anyway

[Ryika]

Oracle is just a pretty solid choice imho. Stability, Specialist Output, Significant Crime Reduction, decent Empire Size effect and massive building/district upkeep reduction are all quite nice to have.

She won't do any job with exceptional efficiency, but her setup is good enough to do any governor job "well". Her Destiny trait is "meh", but so are most of the planet governor-type of Destiny Traits aside from the few that are really really good. Getting your Destiny Trait early also isn't a total loss, as you'll get another class trait instead, so another chance to build into something useful.

With her being immortal and a generalist, you can easily weave her in and out of governor jobs depending on how your other leaders are leveled at any given time (assuming they're not also immortal) She'll probably never be center stage, but you're almost guaranteed to find a place where she can be reasonably useful. Especially once she's level 10 and brings the full governor level effect for the rest of the game which I think a lot of people completely undervalue.

Would I take her over 500 Influence? At baseline, probably not, but then again, there are phases of the game where a variety of playstyles will be drowning in influence, so it's a much more reasonable choice there.

Oh and she's Gestalt Ethic, so she won't spam your sector with off-brand ethics attraction like some of the other Paragons do, for whatever that's worth.

[jodnus]

Having an immortal leader is good for its own sake if part of the strategy benefits from certain council positions being reliably manned by a high level leader

[UknowitsE]

ok, what is the usual leader lvl cap if you dont mind my asking

[RCMidas]

10. Certain modifiers can increase the Effective Councillor Level for those assigned to the council, which boosts the bonuses they provide without adding traits. For example, the Statecraft Tradition increases ECL by 1, so a Lv1 leader on your council will provide bonuses as if they were Lv2.

Probably the highest ECL you can achieve is 27:

Ruler at Lv10
Statecraft Tradition +1
Departmental Efficiency Agenda (when launched) +2
Executus Compendium Relic +1*
Prototype VIR Core Relic (when active) +4*
Virtual Leader Focus (Virtuality Tradition or Virtual Synthetic authority) +2
Philosopher King Civic +5 (Ruler only, Dictatorial or Imperial authority)
Shadow Council Civic (needs Dictatorial authority to combine with above Civic) +1
Vaults of Knowledge +1

*Note that the two Relics are usually mutually exclusive rewards from the Curator Order, and to get both you'll need to swipe at least one from another empire.

[UknowitsE]

by councillor level you mean that per lvl bonus for each council seat right? that is what you are talking about aren't u?

[pipo.p]

I seldom use the Oracle as a councellor. Imo, It's best used as the core sector's governor, and I choose traits that are good for a governor.

[Elitewrecker PT]

Originally posted by UknowitsE:

by councillor level you mean that per lvl bonus for each council seat right? that is what you are talking about aren't u?

yes