Are clone army origins all males?

[Chthonic Guardian]

No matter how many time I try to set up the game as unspecified for a 50/50 split in genders, the leaders all come up as males.
I mean Everyone, admirals, scientists etc. Everyone in recruitable pool.
The only thing that has changed is this is my first time using this origin, and first time with a couple of mods, but I doubt any of them would effect gender.

I have left both genders unselected, and tried with either the third button selected or unselected, and they always come up as all males.

[Garatgh Deloi]

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No matter how many time I try to set up the game as unspecified for a 50/50 split in genders, the leaders all come up as males.
I mean Everyone, admirals, scientists etc. Everyone in recruitable pool.
The only thing that has changed is this is my first time using this origin, and first time with a couple of mods, but I doubt any of them would effect gender.

I have left both genders unselected, and tried with either the third button selected or unselected, and they always come up as all males.

They are identical clones so they are all the same gender, either female or male. Basically its decided by your leaders gender for the clone army origin (or at least it was last time i played around with the origin, its been a while).

[Chthonic Guardian]

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No matter how many time I try to set up the game as unspecified for a 50/50 split in genders, the leaders all come up as males.
I mean Everyone, admirals, scientists etc. Everyone in recruitable pool.
The only thing that has changed is this is my first time using this origin, and first time with a couple of mods, but I doubt any of them would effect gender.

I have left both genders unselected, and tried with either the third button selected or unselected, and they always come up as all males.

They are identical clones so they are all the same gender, either female or male. Basically its decided by your leaders gender for the clone army origin (or at least it was last time i played around with the origin, its been a while).

I guess that is it. Although they are not identical portraits, and of course half of them have female names like Chloe and Sofia etc.

This sucks.
Paradox gets so freaking weird about these issues.

[Cinnamoon_dragon]

Clones don't need women to reproduce, machines do all the work. Also, men are much better soldiers, because they are physiologically more resilient and stronger, and women get tired much faster.

[Garatgh Deloi]

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Although they are not identical portraits

Other then hair and clothes they should have identical portraits. Otherwise its a bug.

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Clones don't need women to reproduce, machines do all the work. Also, men are much better soldiers, because they are physiologically more resilient and stronger, and women get tired much faster.

Your clone army empire can be all female as well. Its basically just identical clones, so whatever gender the leader is all is.

[Chthonic Guardian]

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Clones don't need women to reproduce, machines do all the work. Also, men are much better soldiers, because they are physiologically more resilient and stronger, and women get tired much faster.

Well, I guess then for role playing enjoyment I definitely will not descend them into breeders.

[Chthonic Guardian]

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Although they are not identical portraits

Other then hair and clothes they should have identical portraits. Otherwise its a bug.

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Clones don't need women to reproduce, machines do all the work. Also, men are much better soldiers, because they are physiologically more resilient and stronger, and women get tired much faster.

Your clone army empire can be all female as well. Its basically just identical clones, so whatever gender the leader is all is.

Thanks!
Ok, well Off I go with my clones then. Sorry ladies you will have to sit this one out.
Seems like if you can make them one or the other, you should be able to make both models, but like I said Paradox gets flakey on anything like this, and I won't even hazard a guess what the dialogue was in the meetings surrounding this.

[Garatgh Deloi]

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Thanks!
Ok, well Off I go with my clones then. Sorry ladies you will have to sit this one out.
Seems like if you can make them one or the other, you should be able to make both models, but like I said Paradox gets flakey on anything like this, and I won't even hazard a guess what the dialogue was in the meetings surrounding this.

They are likely inspired by the clone army from starwars .

They (the starwars clone army) also all look the same other then how they style their hair and their armor paint because they are all based on the same genetic template.

Its kinda the whole lore behind the origin (They are clones).

[Cinnamoon_dragon]

You know, it sounds good on paper, lots of cheap and fast clone recruits, but if I were a mad scientist, I would never make my entire army genetically identical, because this method has serious drawbacks. Just imagine that my supposed military opponent creates a biological weapon or a virus that will infect my clones. My entire army will die instantly as none of them will have natural immunity to the new disease. But if they had more genetic diversity, some of them might even survive and pass on immunity due to random mutations etc. just like it happens in nature.

[Chthonic Guardian]

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Thanks!
Ok, well Off I go with my clones then. Sorry ladies you will have to sit this one out.
Seems like if you can make them one or the other, you should be able to make both models, but like I said Paradox gets flakey on anything like this, and I won't even hazard a guess what the dialogue was in the meetings surrounding this.

They are likely inspired by the clone army from starwars .

They (the starwars clone army) also all look the same other then how they style their hair and their armor paint because they are all based on the same genetic template.

Its kinda the whole lore behind the origin (They are clones).

Yeah, but if you are smart enough to develop cloning, you are smart enough to understand you can make different models for different needs.
You could have a different model for each vat, or each vat a model can be selected with the start of each clone creation.
It doesn't seem that daunting to do.

But whatever.

[Garatgh Deloi]

I can see the logical argument for genetic diversity and having several different templates, but to be honest this game is all about including as many science fiction tropes as possible.

The trope for clone armies tend to be a army of identical clones (there are off course exceptions).

So i'd argue that its not at all surprising they went that route.

[Maya-Neko]

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Clones don't need women to reproduce, machines do all the work. Also, men are much better soldiers, because they are physiologically more resilient and stronger, and women get tired much faster.

That's only the fact when we're looking at humans from earth, that men are stronger, but if we look at other species that might be different depending on pure randomness. Even if we look on earth there are many species (for example many spiders and insects), where the female part is bigger and stronger. Nature doesn't have any kind of rule for that.

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You know, it sounds good on paper, lots of cheap and fast clone recruits, but if I were a mad scientist, I would never make my entire army genetically identical, because this method has serious drawbacks. Just imagine that my supposed military opponent creates a biological weapon or a virus that will infect my clones. My entire army will die instantly as none of them will have natural immunity to the new disease. But if they had more genetic diversity, some of them might even survive and pass on immunity due to random mutations etc. just like it happens in nature.

If you're already at the point where cloning is morally acceptable, then the next step towards reducing the live span and allowing gene manipulation, both to allow for faster adaptation isn't that far anymore as well^^

And we can also take a look at bananas. They're also just clones and can still survive for very long times due to humans defending them against everything as good as possible. They're still threatened constantly by various deseases, but still survived for a very long time by now. Same could be done with clone armies, where quarantine could be part of the everyday life.

And thirdly in Mass Effect we've the Quarians, who live in total isolation to the outer worlds. With such an approach, deseases are pretty much non-existant and totally doable for clone armies, since they don't need to get into contact with others for reproduction.

[Cinnamoon_dragon]

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And we can also take a look at bananas. They're also just clones and can still survive for very long times due to humans defending them against everything as good as possible. They're still threatened constantly by various deseases, but still survived for a very long time by now. Same could be done with clone armies, where quarantine could be part of the everyday life

It's good that you brought this up, the reason bananas are on the brink of extinction is because their fruits no longer contain seeds in favor of sweet pulp. So yes, they are all identical clones that grow from parts of the parent plant and that makes them less able to fight pathogens. Basically, any disease, fungus, or pest that can attack and kill one plant can kill them all. Because they no longer contain seeds, it's also harder for breeders to continue picking or crossing varieties that are more resistant to a specific disease. In the 1950s, the most common type of banana in the world was the Gros Michel and it was the more flavorful and shipping-resistant fruit than other varieties. But then banana plantations were attacked by a highly invasive, soil-inhabiting fungus known as Panama disease, or Fusarium wilt. The only solution the farmers found was to start growing a different banana type that was more resistant to the fungus, the Cavendish banana, which is now 95% of all the bananas you can find in your supermarket. Recently, the fungus has started to infect the bananas we eat today too. To date, there aren't any pesticides or other treatments that have been found that can stop Panama Disease. It is possible to taste even the Gros Michel banana today, but they are much more expensive and are grown in small closed plantations in quantities far from industrial.

[Cinnamoon_dragon]

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Even if we look on earth there are many species (for example many spiders and insects), where the female part is bigger and stronger. Nature doesn't have any kind of rule for that.

There are no meaningless things in nature - the difference in size actually plays an important role and evolutionary selection dictates the rules. Life forms that have evolved in physical conditions that resemble those of Earth may be biologically similar to us, this is called convergent evolution. Aquatic species, for example, are more likely to have torpedo-shaped bodies to reduce water resistance, prey animals will develop strong limbs to run faster and etc. Female spiders produce more offspring than mammals, and the larger the female insect, the more offspring it can produce. In addition, these arthropods, like praying mantises, are prone to sexual cannibalism. They eat their males to provide nutrients for future young.

[Geoff]

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Clones don't need women to reproduce, machines do all the work. Also, men are much better soldiers, because they are physiologically more resilient and stronger, and women get tired much faster.

And yet, Amazons have been around for close to as long as fiction has.

[mss73055]

Depends on what you use the drone for. The lack of genetic information we tongue-in-cheek call Y is known for its reduced effects on social behaviour and longevity.