Machine Age means pay twice for Synthetic Dawn?

[Tzyder]

I cant help but think we've already paid for this "new" DLC content. Leave it up to Paradox to start charging for updates for old DLC. Is this a backdoor way to force subscriptions?

[Marcowarrio]

Escrito originalmente por Professor H. Farnsworth:

Escrito originalmente por Shavanna:

Didnt Paradox add some things to older DLCs, when some were to lacking (humanoid DLC especially)? Maybe they do it again and give some more content to synthetic dawn. Or they do what they just did with HOI4 and include some old DLCs in the basegame.

So, whenever a newer DLC unlocks old DLC things they also tend to update the old DLC with new stuff either immediately or down the line.
Like most of Utopia can be unlocked through other DLCs so at Overlord, they added Cybernetics ascension to it (literally most of what Utopia now unlocks solely is the Genetic, Cybernetic and Psionic ascensions).

It's not uncommon for Stellaris DLC to unlock content from other DLCs.. It's been a thing since Synthetic Dawn..

I don't know why people are so up in arms about it. It's not like it's a new revelation.

its just that so much things for this DLC require others, its like a DLC for a DLC

[Marcowarrio]

couldnt have they just updated synthetic dawn and utopia?

[monkeypunch87]

Escrito originalmente por Marcowarrio:

couldnt have they just updated synthetic dawn and utopia?

And how do they earn money with a free update? To sustain future development?

[BSNB]

Escrito originalmente por Marcowarrio:

couldnt have they just updated synthetic dawn and utopia?

But they have to eat! - fanboy

[Ash... Haushaltswaren!]

Escrito originalmente por Tzyder:

I cant help but think we've already paid for this "new" DLC content. Leave it up to Paradox to start charging for updates for old DLC. Is this a backdoor way to force subscriptions?

My thoughts exactly!

[avali gaming]

at the very ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ least wait until the new DLC releases and we can actually fully examine the new content before complaining that it's a "reskin of synthetic dawn". that's like, basic etiquette. how are you supposed to have an opinion on something that you don't even know anything about??

i'm tired of paradox doing stupid lazy ♥♥♥♥ too, but at least wait until you actually have solid ground to stand on before saying ♥♥♥♥.

[BSNB]

Escrito originalmente por avali gaming:

at the very ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ least wait until the new DLC releases and we can actually fully examine the new content before complaining that it's a "reskin of synthetic dawn". that's like, basic etiquette. how are you supposed to have an opinion on something that you don't even know anything about??

i'm tired of paradox doing stupid lazy ♥♥♥♥ too, but at least wait until you actually have solid ground to stand on before saying ♥♥♥♥.

Reread your second paragraph. That is why. We all know what to expect.

[Autumn]

Escrito originalmente por Professor H. Farnsworth:

Escrito originalmente por Shavanna:

Didnt Paradox add some things to older DLCs, when some were to lacking (humanoid DLC especially)? Maybe they do it again and give some more content to synthetic dawn. Or they do what they just did with HOI4 and include some old DLCs in the basegame.

So, whenever a newer DLC unlocks old DLC things they also tend to update the old DLC with new stuff either immediately or down the line.
Like most of Utopia can be unlocked through other DLCs so at Overlord, they added Cybernetics ascension to it (literally most of what Utopia now unlocks solely is the Genetic, Cybernetic and Psionic ascensions).

It's not uncommon for Stellaris DLC to unlock content from other DLCs.. It's been a thing since Synthetic Dawn..

I don't know why people are so up in arms about it. It's not like it's a new revelation.

Because it's never been the title feature of another DLC. For what it's worth, Utopia losing half of its ascension trees to Machine Age is also kinda ♥♥♥♥♥♥, and I think it would've been fair to be mad back when it lost ascension perks in general too. Those were also pretty core to it. It still has more than Synthetic Dawn though, which just went from one of the must-have DLCs to the smallest species pack.

[Astasia]

It makes sense why they did it the way they did, making a DLC that requires another DLC to work just isn't how DLC is done. If they wanted to greatly expand on the machine empire mechanics they had to include it. It does create a problem though, since there is one main purpose to Synthetic Dawn and it's now included in a different DLC, with very little other content in that older DLC at this point.

This isn't an issue for existing players who already bought Synthetic Dawn. Saying it's "not fair" new players can skip that DLC and get the same content isn't really relevant since they can also get old content for dirt cheap during sales and in bundles. That's just the nature of gaming that you spend more getting a game or DLC when it's new, and people who wait or get into the game much later spend much less for the same content. Some of us have spent close to like $350 on this game, and somebody new can come in and buy it all for like $150 right now on sale, I'm not even going to get into the subscription thing. It doesn't matter which DLC a new player buys or doesn't or how much value they get out of it individually, the end result is they pay less overall for the same content for waiting, because that's expected in this industry.

There's also far more than enough other content in Machine Age to justify a $20 price tag. It's not paying for the same thing twice, it's paying for a very juicy expansion that happens to include older content for free that you can ignore.

The issue is, people who do not have Synthetic Dawn now and get Machine Age, have no good reason to buy Synthetic Dawn, and that's a problem for Paradox who is still going to want to sell that DLC. So it's a problem they are undoubtedly going to do something about eventually, like how the curator team has added new content to old ship sets and species packs to keep them worth buying.

[chorion]

Escrito originalmente por Tzyder:

I cant help but think we've already paid for this "new" DLC content. Leave it up to Paradox to start charging for updates for old DLC. Is this a backdoor way to force subscriptions?

what is a SYNTHETIC DAWN, BUT ROBOTS?, PAY AGAIN FOR ROBOTS.

[Elitewrecker PT]

Escrito originalmente por Astasia:

It makes sense why they did it the way they did, making a DLC that requires another DLC to work just isn't how DLC is done. If they wanted to greatly expand on the machine empire mechanics they had to include it. It does create a problem though, since there is one main purpose to Synthetic Dawn and it's now included in a different DLC, with very little other content in that older DLC at this point.

This isn't an issue for existing players who already bought Synthetic Dawn. Saying it's "not fair" new players can skip that DLC and get the same content isn't really relevant since they can also get old content for dirt cheap during sales and in bundles. That's just the nature of gaming that you spend more getting a game or DLC when it's new, and people who wait or get into the game much later spend much less for the same content. Some of us have spent close to like $350 on this game, and somebody new can come in and buy it all for like $150 right now on sale, I'm not even going to get into the subscription thing. It doesn't matter which DLC a new player buys or doesn't or how much value they get out of it individually, the end result is they pay less overall for the same content for waiting, because that's expected in this industry.

There's also far more than enough other content in Machine Age to justify a $20 price tag. It's not paying for the same thing twice, it's paying for a very juicy expansion that happens to include older content for free that you can ignore.

The issue is, people who do not have Synthetic Dawn now and get Machine Age, have no good reason to buy Synthetic Dawn, and that's a problem for Paradox who is still going to want to sell that DLC. So it's a problem they are undoubtedly going to do something about eventually, like how the curator team has added new content to old ship sets and species packs to keep them worth buying.

Yes, Machine Age will already expand on non-gestalt machines anyway, including being able to start right away as a synth empire (although I presume weaker than current synths) instead of having to ascend mid-game.
It's great for new owners sure, but I don't think it'd be a problem to retain gestalt machines tied solely to Synth Dawn.
But as you said, from soon on, Synth Dawn's exclusive content will be the 3 special civics for machine empires, plus Machine World, Machine FE, robot uprising chain, and extra contingency features.

[Dawid]

paradoxtrash loves to steal from dumb players

[rafael.ramus]

I guess that's what happens when instead of counting on growing your player base you count on grabbing more money from the existing one.

It still looks to me that Stellaris is approaching the end of its cycle.

P.S.: Same goes for subscription model. I think more existing players will adhere to it than new players.

[Xextreem]

I play most of the time robot so this is a win for me.

[avali gaming]

Escrito originalmente por BSNB:

Escrito originalmente por avali gaming:

at the very ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ least wait until the new DLC releases and we can actually fully examine the new content before complaining that it's a "reskin of synthetic dawn". that's like, basic etiquette. how are you supposed to have an opinion on something that you don't even know anything about??

i'm tired of paradox doing stupid lazy ♥♥♥♥ too, but at least wait until you actually have solid ground to stand on before saying ♥♥♥♥.

Reread your second paragraph. That is why. We all know what to expect.

again, you can at least wait until the thing releases to make statements based on the assumptions of its contents. you can be pessimistic, sure, but objectively saying it's DEFINITELY a reskin of machine age just because it fits a similar subject theme, despite the DLC not being out yet, is just stupid, regardless of how pessimistic you are about it.