Machine Age means pay twice for Synthetic Dawn?

[Tzyder]

I cant help but think we've already paid for this "new" DLC content. Leave it up to Paradox to start charging for updates for old DLC. Is this a backdoor way to force subscriptions?

[RB-99]

Well maybe, I think it's more growing on what Synthetic dawn did.
so now robot races aren't limited to a hivemind...with this DLC.

Dawn only added the robot version of the hive mind, so maybe some may not want to level up to the next level and joke around with a robot hive mind that's gaining free will.

so make that change a new DLC.

[Autumn]

Originally posted by RB-99:

Well maybe, I think it's more growing on what Synthetic dawn did.
so now robot races aren't limited to a hivemind...with this DLC.

Dawn only added the robot version of the hive mind, so maybe some may not want to level up to the next level and joke around with a robot hive mind that's gaining free will.

so make that change a new DLC.

They also enabled machine hive minds in this DLC. The main selling point of Synthetic Dawn is already rolled into Machine Age by default. That in my eyes is a ♥♥♥♥♥♥ move.

[Mr.I]

I wouldn't be surprised if they put out a $40 price tag.

[Xyebane]

Stellaris DLCs have been so underwhelming for so long. It is such a shame.

[nanda.ag]

So ... basically you are mad that the new players who buy this new dlc don't have to buy synthetic dawn to have certain features that old dlc offer? because?

[Autumn]

Originally posted by nanda.ag:

So ... basically you are mad that the new players who buy this new dlc don't have to buy synthetic dawn to have certain features that old dlc offer? because?

Because I'm mad they had me pay for a DLC I wouldn't have bought otherwise had I been aware its contents would also be available with a much better DLC instead, especially since I still have to pay the exact same amount for the new DLC as someone who never got Synth Dawn in the first place. I don't see why I should trust them with my money when they could easily do this again.

[nanda.ag]

Originally posted by Toast:

Originally posted by nanda.ag:

So ... basically you are mad that the new players who buy this new dlc don't have to buy synthetic dawn to have certain features that old dlc offer? because?

Because I'm mad they had me pay for a DLC I wouldn't have bought otherwise had I been aware its contents would also be available with a much better DLC instead, especially since I still have to pay the exact same amount for the new DLC as someone who never got Synth Dawn in the first place. I don't see why I should trust them with my money when they could easily do this again.

Ok sure you prefer dlcs with features that are mutually excursive got it . But I don't see the problem here cause
1 - The amount of time between 2 dlcs is already significant in my opinion
2 - New dlc have more unique content then overlapping content
3 - Drawing the hard line between dlcs make new features for dlcs rigid and old dlc features stagnant
off course its just my opinion

[Autumn]

Originally posted by nanda.ag:

Originally posted by Toast:

Because I'm mad they had me pay for a DLC I wouldn't have bought otherwise had I been aware its contents would also be available with a much better DLC instead, especially since I still have to pay the exact same amount for the new DLC as someone who never got Synth Dawn in the first place. I don't see why I should trust them with my money when they could easily do this again.

Ok sure you prefer dlcs with features that are mutually excursive got it . But I don't see the problem here cause
1 - The amount of time between 2 dlcs is already significant in my opinion
2 - New dlc have more unique content then overlapping content
3 - Drawing the hard line between dlcs make new features for dlcs rigid and old dlc features stagnant
off course its just my opinion

The problem is that I paid for it under the reasonable assumption that this was the only way to get the content, and that there wouldn't be a second release of it with better associated content that made my first purchase retroactively a waste of money.

[monkeypunch87]

Originally posted by Tzyder:

I cant help but think we've already paid for this "new" DLC content. Leave it up to Paradox to start charging for updates for old DLC. Is this a backdoor way to force subscriptions?

Different features, so no.

[Geoff]

Originally posted by Toast:

The problem is that I paid for it under the reasonable assumption that this was the only way to get the content, and that there wouldn't be a second release of it with better associated content that made my first purchase retroactively a waste of money.

Synthetic Dusk.

[The Mogician]

Better question: why is Paradox pumping out all these awful DLCs. The latest DLCs from CK3 and HoI4 are very lackluster. This one seems to be the case too.

[box]

Originally posted by The Mogician:

Better question: why is Paradox pumping out all these awful DLCs. The latest DLCs from CK3 and HoI4 are very lackluster. This one seems to be the case too.

Either you spend money making amazing things at a loss or you rehash things on the cheap and try to market it out as something amazing. Guess which timeline we're on.

[Immortalis]

Quite literally, there are exactly two features that were already contained in previous DLC: gestalt machine empires and synthetic/cybernetic ascensions.

That hardly invalidates or remove any and all value from the previous DLC.
But I must say I find it extremely interesting how people are constantly whining that Paradox should not force us to buy so many DLC and yet, as soon as they provide the option to buy a single DLC instead of three to get the features we want, you all immediately revert to “well, I payed for it seven years ago, it is completely unfair, I should get a refund”.

Originally posted by The Mogician:

Better question: why is Paradox pumping out all these awful DLCs. The latest DLCs from CK3 and HoI4 are very lackluster. This one seems to be the case too.

I have given them a call and the Board of Directors and all their team leaders are going to come to your house in three days, with their heads covered with ashes, to humbly beg for your forgiveness and prepare the next (still completely optional) expansion to suit your personal tastes exclusively

[monkeypunch87]

Originally posted by The Mogician:

Better question: why is Paradox pumping out all these awful DLCs. The latest DLCs from CK3 and HoI4 are very lackluster. This one seems to be the case too.

How do you know it will be awful? I can't wait, I enjoy the coming features.

"NEW ENDGAME CRISIS

NEW PLAYER CRISIS PATH

INDIVIDUALISTIC MACHINES

3 new Machine Ascension Paths.

NEW CYBERNETIC AND SYNTHETIC REACTIVE PORTRAITS

NEW SITUATIONS AND ADVANCED AUTHORITY SWAP

3 NEW ORIGINS

Cybernetic Creed - Your empire pursues a divine calling: the holy fusion of the body and cybernetics. Augmentation is worship.

Synthetic Fertility - Once a thriving society, a novel genetic disease leaves your empire unable to reproduce biologically. Digital salvation seems the only option to avoid extinction.

Arc Welders - Hailing from a world starved for space, a robotic society turns to the stars for resources

On top of that, 6 new Civics, 2 new superstructures (the molten Arc Furnace and powerful Dyson Swarm), new Pop Traits, and 7 brand new music tracks for the best in synthetic beats!"

[Elitewrecker PT]

Originally posted by Immortalis:

Quite literally, there are exactly two features that were already contained in previous DLC: gestalt machine empires and synthetic/cybernetic ascensions.

That hardly invalidates or remove any and all value from the previous DLC.
But I must say I find it extremely interesting how people are constantly whining that Paradox should not force us to buy so many DLC and yet, as soon as they provide the option to buy a single DLC instead of three to get the features we want, you all immediately revert to “well, I payed for it seven years ago, it is completely unfair, I should get a refund”.

Originally posted by The Mogician:

Better question: why is Paradox pumping out all these awful DLCs. The latest DLCs from CK3 and HoI4 are very lackluster. This one seems to be the case too.

I have given them a call and the Board of Directors and all their team leaders are going to come to your house in three days, with their heads covered with ashes, to humbly beg for your forgiveness and prepare the next (still completely optional) expansion to suit your personal tastes exclusively

The ascension were already unlocked by utopia before it, probably the most owned dlc.
It's making the biggest part of the dlc redundant (gestalt machines)