Arc Furnace Start

[thaelmann]

Well, OP, to put it bluntly. Beeline the Upgrades and you'll sit comfortably at 200+ alloy income around 40 years in. Which is a bit ridiculous, compared to all other starts. (Combined with the astro-mining drones, max out energy starbases to balance economy.)

At this point, why even continue the game if you can just mop up the galaxy (well, maybe not on GA, but I play on commodore, and with this start, little challenge is given)

[chris23162]

Originally posted by thaelmann:

Well, OP, to put it bluntly. Beeline the Upgrades and you'll sit comfortably at 200+ alloy income around 40 years in. Which is a bit ridiculous, compared to all other starts. (Combined with the astro-mining drones, max out energy starbases to balance economy.)

At this point, why even continue the game if you can just mop up the galaxy (well, maybe not on GA, but I play on commodore, and with this start, little challenge is given)

Only OP if you start as gestalt machines, individualistic machines get screwed by this origin, as the minerals produced is either 16.5 or 17.5 with a base of 20 so you get between 36.5 and 37.5 and as individualistic machines you either start randomly with a defecit of consumer goods and just 12 mineral income or you start with ZERO mineral income and positive consumer goods.

Gestalt machines don't need consumer goods so save on the forced industrial districts for the consumer goods. Gestalt machines start with 2 alloy jobs, individualistic machines start with 3 alloy jobs and 3 consumer goods jobs and thus 36 mineral upkeep a month. This origin only works for individualistic machines if you take at least 20% reduction in pop upkeep at game start but even then your only getting 12 minerals a month ..................... ocean paradise is straight up better. Lastly the system you start in is actually poor for the furnace even if you take sol as your starting system for the maximum possible minerals.

Plus you can easily turn the size 30 ocean paradise world into a effective size 60 Ecumenopolis and be pumping out more alloys than that and just build a furnace in a system that actually has a decent amount of bodies to get decent numbers.

[Sedmeister]

What's the logic behind the origin only being available to machine empires? I thought this would make a glorious origin for my subterranean Dwarven Empire.