Vassalisation too easy?

[Kael]

Yea - just 2 things happen:
1 thing: myself get nearly 50% of the galaxy
or second thing:
the AI is far to fast vasalizing EVERYTHING. Which seems strange to some point.

[Ragnarr Loðbrók]

snowballing, typical issue of the game that makes everything too easy at some point :)

And it's normal for the A.I to vasalize everything it's normal/meta since the A.I improvements with Overlord.

[Kael]

Ah i see... na its fine if they vassalize some stuff. But its some kind of simply 'STRANGE' that like... i play regularly with 20+ empires and 10 of them have each 1 vassal at some point in the game.

[Kael]

Generally it is like this:
You have 1 Empire. That fight. Lost their fleet - then they got "underwhelming" in fleet -> AI like 10000 systems away make a vassal out of them. There should be a blocker for this

[alangriffith]

The new Beta does some changes to vassalisation deals, according to the latest news post. Don't know if it will help specifically, but could be fun finding out.

[lubed_assassin]

Originally posted by 🅶 I|I Kael π:

Generally it is like this:
You have 1 Empire. That fight. Lost their fleet - then they got "underwhelming" in fleet -> AI like 10000 systems away make a vassal out of them. There should be a blocker for this

The more AI's you play with on a smaller map the more likely they will become vassals. Wars create weak or strong nations which cause even more vassals. The AI tends to expand when their is free space instead of war.

You can accomplish it as well, its just because the way PDX creates number values for everything, if you have a large fleet early they tend to submit, later economy pumps up your "power".

[Kael]

Originally posted by lubed_assassin:

Originally posted by 🅶 I|I Kael π:

Generally it is like this:
You have 1 Empire. That fight. Lost their fleet - then they got "underwhelming" in fleet -> AI like 10000 systems away make a vassal out of them. There should be a blocker for this

The more AI's you play with on a smaller map the more likely they will become vassals. Wars create weak or strong nations which cause even more vassals. The AI tends to expand when their is free space instead of war.

You can accomplish it as well, its just because the way PDX creates number values for everything, if you have a large fleet early they tend to submit, later economy pumps up your "power".

the problem isnt that they have vassals. The problem is - like the vassal is on the other side of the map and not naturally grown on the borders or they are far more away

[mss73055]

It's annoying, much like the branch offices thing. There's no handy interface to check or automate candidate vassals. While AI empires check the entire galaxy every few months.
Yes I can take over the scattered remains of an overlord start but it's a bloody drudge.