The game needs optimization

[Abderytka :3]

My computer is insufficient to play this game, specially built for strategy games
The game needs an update to fix this.
My pc:
Ryzen 7 5800X 8 Core
Rtx 3070 8gb
RAM 16gb ddr5 6400mhz
SSD 2tb HDD 1tb for pictures and videos (i not using for games xd)


and I really don't know how the game can be so poorly optimized to work so poorly :(

[Geoff]

I think it suffers from exponential calculation bloat. I agree it should be optimized. FWIW, it does run better with more RAM.

[chorion]

Originally posted by Lun9u1x:

My computer is insufficient to play this game, specially built for strategy games
The game needs an update to fix this.
My pc:
Ryzen 7 5800X 8 Core
Rtx 3070 8gb
RAM 16gb ddr5 6400mhz
SSD 2tb HDD 1tb for pictures and videos (i not using for games xd)


and I really don't know how the game can be so poorly optimized to work so poorly :(

It runs single core with a 2007 modified engine , and no...it isnt going to get fixed, PDX is nerfing the game instead cos it is cheaper ... and releasing overpriced DLC no-one asked for

[Cerodil]

Originally posted by chorion:

It runs single core with a 2007 modified engine

This is false, the Stellaris engine uses dirtectx11 one of the draws of which is multi-core threading. The reason people think this is because they don't understand how cpus work.

[FourteenFour]

the truly do not know how to optimize the game.

I wish it were not true but they literally will repeat a calculation when nothing has changed

[HappySack]

Any optimizations they already do is undone when they rework a system with a following patch, best to find an older version that works the best for you or an alternative that helps.

[Dustreaper]

Truly people don't know how optimisation works. The pop change just screwed any optimisation that could be made to fix this. Maybe if you throw a few billion dollars at it you can make hardware that can run this without slowing down. But other then that no you cannot make this game run smooth. It can always run a bit smoother but it will never go away. That's kinda why inovation in rts games are dead and why it died. We are running against the limit of power we can make. CPU's just aren't powerful enough.

[Geoff]

Originally posted by Dustreaper:

Truly people don't know how optimisation works. The pop change just screwed any optimisation that could be made to fix this. Maybe if you throw a few billion dollars at it you can make hardware that can run this without slowing down. But other then that no you cannot make this game run smooth. It can always run a bit smoother but it will never go away. That's kinda why inovation in rts games are dead and why it died. We are running against the limit of power we can make. CPU's just aren't powerful enough.

The Voyager Probe has been running on the equivalent of a Commodore 64.

You can do quite a lot with quite a little if you're efficient.

Whatever its strengths and shortcomings may be, this game isn't especially efficient.

Reference: https://www.wired.com/2013/09/vintage-voyager-probes/

[Dustreaper]

Originally posted by Geoff:

Originally posted by Dustreaper:

Truly people don't know how optimisation works. The pop change just screwed any optimisation that could be made to fix this. Maybe if you throw a few billion dollars at it you can make hardware that can run this without slowing down. But other then that no you cannot make this game run smooth. It can always run a bit smoother but it will never go away. That's kinda why inovation in rts games are dead and why it died. We are running against the limit of power we can make. CPU's just aren't powerful enough.

The Voyager Probe has been running on the equivalent of a Commodore 64.

You can do quite a lot with quite a little if you're efficient.

Whatever its strengths and shortcomings may be, this game isn't especially efficient.

Reference: https://www.wired.com/2013/09/vintage-voyager-probes/

Yea that's why i said with how they reworked the pop system with that in place there is no way to fix it to run smooth. You gotta limit yourself hard to get a smooth long game.

[Geoff]

Originally posted by Dustreaper:

Yea that's why i said with how they reworked the pop system with that in place there is no way to fix it to run smooth. You gotta limit yourself hard to get a smooth long game.

Yeah, but they're clearly being wasteful of system resources. I don't think we're anywhere close to hitting the limit of processing power. Like - yeah you can't run a simulation on 4 trillion stars like a real galaxy has. But if they were less reckless with the system resources, they could improve its performance substantially. I'm on the cusp of the late game right now, and the game hangs on peace treaties for a ridiculously long time. As far as I can tell, pops are running a bunch of checks that don't really need to be.

That said, honestly the late game lag on Stellaris is nowhere near as bad as it is on EU:IV. I have literally never finished a game of that in ten years. I've even tried the late starts in the Napoleonic Wars, and it's just hopeless. At best you can get through a few years before it becomes too slow to play. And that's with 4x the RAM the OP Is using.

[QLIQ]

It will change. Vic3 and CK3 both have a much better foundation. The game is on it´s way out. Modernizing it would be as much work as making a new game which xxx thousands will buy instead of the maintenance DLC they ship currently.

Same for EU4 and HOI4. They can´t even do correct UI scaling...

[Abderytka :3]

Just to add, my CPU CPU in this game does not use more than 20% of its usage and still the game runs slowly and slows down a lot


so I don't really know what causes it and that's why I want to optimize the game

[Abderytka :3]

I tested the computer's performance many times and I have the impression that my old AMD fx 4800 4 core worked better on this game than it currently does


maybe I have some limitation?

[Elitewrecker PT]

A LOT of the processing happens on a single core. They've been progressively trying to offload some part into other cores but the heavy bulk remains in one core, which means better single core performance as well as good amount of CPU cache will provide better results, as opposed to having a CPU with lots of comparatively weaker cores.

[Abderytka :3]

so there is no way to make it work better #sadge

[Dustreaper]

Originally posted by Lun9u1x:

so there is no way to make it work better #sadge

Nope cannot multi core it more then it already is. It's the bane of existence for rts games.You cannot split task like pop management needs to be done on a single core and cannot be split without huge penalties that cannot be overcome for now or the last 20 years. People talk about multi core support being the problem but it is not. Something cannot be split and with how the core clock speed hasn't really improved over the year we have bottlenecks. Can it run better currently for sure but some things cannot be changed without making a stellaris 2 or just aren't worth to rewrite the entire engine and change it.