Hive Mind can not vassalized

[Yazou]

I took several people during a war, I can't assimilate this new population because I didn't unlock the technology. Why can't I turn this new sector into a vassal? It's the first time I've played collective conscience but it doesn't seem logical to me that I can't vassalize this sector. The interest of vassalization and also of creating an ally that is not in my collective consciousness.

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[RCMidas]

The majority of Hive Minds tend to operate purely on assimilation or extermination, whether deliberately or through oversight. For a Hive Mind, creating a vassal would be splitting off part of your consciousness and therefore unacceptable. Only Progenitor Hives are able to create vassals out of sectors (unless they are Devouring Swarms or Terravores), but that is a special exception.

[Yazou]

Originally posted by RCMidas:

The majority of Hive Minds tend to operate purely on assimilation or extermination, whether deliberately or through oversight. For a Hive Mind, creating a vassal would be splitting off part of your consciousness and therefore unacceptable. Only Progenitor Hives are able to create vassals out of sectors (unless they are Devouring Swarms or Terravores), but that is a special exception.

I understand but in my case these worlds are freshly conquered, there is no collective pop, these worlds are only populated by the species that lost the war

[Vovarush]

Originally posted by Yazou:

Originally posted by RCMidas:

The majority of Hive Minds tend to operate purely on assimilation or extermination, whether deliberately or through oversight. For a Hive Mind, creating a vassal would be splitting off part of your consciousness and therefore unacceptable. Only Progenitor Hives are able to create vassals out of sectors (unless they are Devouring Swarms or Terravores), but that is a special exception.

I understand but in my case these worlds are freshly conquered, there is no collective pop, these worlds are only populated by the species that lost the war

Doesnt matter

[Ryika]

Claiming, then conquering, and then releasing a planet as a vassal is a very... weird playstyle that you'll almost never see from anyone except people who are new to the game (or Gestalt in this case) and don't understand the mechanics yet. That's probably the real reason why it's not possible, it's just not relevant to anyone except those who are still learning and just made a mistake.

If you think it should be changed, head over to the Paradox Forums and leave a suggestion.

[Yazou]

I have 850 hours of play but this is the first time I've tried collective consciousness. there is good reason to make Claiming, then conquering, and then releasing a planet as a vassal. for limiter Empire Size . To avoid having problems with factions that don't have the same ethics, it's something very common

[Yazou]

sorry the title of this discussion was incorrect it may be the cause of our misunderstanding its Hive Mind can not vassalized and not Hive Mind can not be vassalized

[Ryika]

Originally posted by Yazou:

there is good reason to make Claiming, then conquering, and then releasing a planet as a vassal. for limiter Empire Size

There's this thing called Subjugation War, and doesn't require you to waste your Influence on Claims.

[RCMidas]

Eh, that works, but your new vassal REALLY hates you and is so much more likely to start securing Secret Fealty or other independence shenanigans. Yes, you can counter that, but it takes time and envoys - not that they have the greatest use elsewhere, granted.

Personally, if I'm doing the vassalisation thing, I'm beeling diplomatic and Total War capacities so I can either convince them submission is better than extinction, and then annihilating them if they do resist so that I can take their entire empire for free and cut it up into bite-size chunks of loyal serfs thereafter.

[Yazou]

Originally posted by Ryika:

Originally posted by Yazou:

there is good reason to make Claiming, then conquering, and then releasing a planet as a vassal. for limiter Empire Size

There's this thing called Subjugation War, and doesn't require you to waste your Influence on Claims.

RCMidas you've already answered and I'll add if attacked a big empire doing a Subjugation War can be very long

[Ryika]

Originally posted by Yazou:

RCMidas you've already answered and I'll add if attacked a big empire doing a Subjugation War can be very long

If you just want to take a part of an empire and turn it into a vassal, that's even easier. You start a subjugation war. You take the territory you want to turn into a vassal. You end the war with Status Quo. You now have a brand new vassal who doesn't have a history with you.

What you're doing is just a three times more complicated, and 5 times more expensive way of achieving the same goal. Might need to still claim and then transfer the enemy's capital if it's within the territory, but that's about it.

But at the end of the day, I didn't come here to argue about that - if you want to play like that, that's entirely your decision. My point was that it's not possible because the devs have not made it possible, so if you want them to change that, your best bet is still to head over to the official Forums and turn it into a proper suggestion.

[Yazou]

"You take the territory you want to turn into a vassal. You end the war with Status Quo. You now have a brand new vassal who doesn't have a history with you"
It seems strange but I believe you I don't see why you would invent this I will try thank you.