Protectorate

[bstangeby]

I have two vassals that have been at protectorate for decades. Guess they will never be able to catch up when I do 3k of research each month. But was thinking if I changed the agreement to intergration allowed. Then intergrated the subjects. When that is done I release the sector they create again as a vassal. Would they they then be the more advanced vassals types?

[IrishMustang]

Interesting thought.

I've noticed that when creating vassals, they adopt your empire civics immediately.
It would make sense if they are integrated and then released, that they adopt with your Empires Tech Level.
Wonder if there's a benchmark or minimum time that they have to be integrated to keep your Advanced Tech, before they are released.

Let me know if you end up trying it and what you find out.

[Kufesska]

Originally posted by bstangeby:

I have two vassals that have been at protectorate for decades. Guess they will never be able to catch up when I do 3k of research each month. But was thinking if I changed the agreement to intergration allowed. Then intergrated the subjects. When that is done I release the sector they create again as a vassal. Would they they then be the more advanced vassals types?

yes, after creating vassal he has all your techs, so you can make him a specialist vassal or any other type

after integrating vassal he just disappears, and after that you create brand new one

[bstangeby]

It worked quite well. I spent some time letting them be part of my empire. Gene modded their awful traits. Tile blockers on homeworld..... For heaven sake that should be first priority to get rid of. And just because can build 9 bases do not mean you have to. Could only intergrate one vassal at the time so started on the last protectorate now.

[IrishMustang]

Cool. Good Strategy/Workaround.

[Kalemenos]

Clever, I never thought of doing it like that. I just had a game when I was about to make a vassal a scholarium, and bada-bing-bada-boom they became a protecorate, and I thought, "Bummer, this game I won't have a single scholarium." This is a good workaround, but timely and expensive on the influence. Patience and long term is always the better route.

[Ryika]

Worth noting that you don't actually have to wait for them to convert out of being a Protectorate. The threshold for them becoming a normal subject is 50% of your tech, but the threshold for being allowed to propose specialist subject conversion is 40%, so it's quite useful to pay attention.

[RCMidas]

If I want specialised subjects, I typically conquer or colonise the desired regions first and then release them as vassals. One time, I actually manually constructed, populated, and established infrastructure on three ringworlds which I then released; just to be absolutely sure that they would have what they needed for what I wanted of them. Each was in a dead-end system in the centre of my empire for added protection/control.

[jamcarmody]

Originally posted by bstangeby:

I have two vassals that have been at protectorate for decades. Guess they will never be able to catch up when I do 3k of research each month. But was thinking if I changed the agreement to intergration allowed. Then intergrated the subjects. When that is done I release the sector they create again as a vassal. Would they they then be the more advanced vassals types?

Yeah, that could work, but why? Sometimes you keep the subjects as a means to increase your influence, via "ministries of truth" if you're able.