Just another Cetana Rant

[KALLAX]

Yeah i know, the consensus ist to just get gud when fighting cetana. But man...
I played a virtual empire, large galaxy, GA, no scaling, diff adj ai bonuses, low diff adj techn costs, x25 crisis strength. Now you might say, JuSt TuRn DoWN ThE DiFFicuLtY, The GaMe shOUld Be hard (on max difficulty).... But listen:
By 2315 i dominated the galaxy with only scholarium vassals, 50 empire size and good hopes for the lategame. You could say I played the most meta empire there is at the moment. 2400 Cetana spawned, my 20-25 repeatable (shield, energy weapons, explosives, kinetic and strike craft) did nothing when fighting her with 5800 nav cap ( custodian fleet meta battleships, 5 frigate fleets, around 17 meta battleship fleets + juggernaut), all vassals gave everything i was able to ask for, 2 out of my 4 ring segments were dedicated to alloys (income without upkeep of around 7k), 2 to tech (around 50k with vassal tribute) and still, i couldn't even chew through her armor. Aside from the situation bugging out and me not being able to attack her until the very last moment, my fleets couldn't even handle her with invincible console command. My economy was burning at this point and there was no chance of winning.
I'm just whining here because all the other crisises would have been OBLITERATED by my forces, so please, buff the other crises (which would not be fun to play against) or nerf cetana, at least make the "Cetana's Work" situation stop while she is in combat to allow for some time.
This experience, how cetana is implemented right now, was just frustrating and without ANY fun, 0/10

[Kufesska]

i don't get it
why exactly you couldn't kill her?

[[OCe]Kagari]

try cosmogenesis ships

[KALLAX]

So before I entered her system I had like 6800 nav cap / 1200, from skirmishes with her fleets that went down to 5800 with just 10 months left on her timer (way too late for reinforcements). When I entered her system I sent in my 30k army in front to take some of the damage, then the battleships and then the frigates. Killing all her stations did cost me around another 1000 nav cap. When she was the only one left I could just kill her shields and armor, but at that point my damage output had been diminished compared to her regen.
Even though she couldn't kill my fleets at that time (because of evasion and range), I wasn't able to make a dent in her hull. Also she would just blow up the galaxy like one or two months later. So I went back in the save file, gave all my 5800 nav cap + custodian fleet the "invincible" console command, but at the end it was the same with her hull not even getting damaged. Hope that makes it clear :)
Was a little bit salty yesterday but i guess i just have to bring more fleetpower next time

[KALLAX]

Originally posted by OCeKagari:

try cosmogenesis ships

Might try that out, i just think you should be able to kill her with somewhere the same amount you need for other crisises, but i also understand the argument of having one waay stronger crisis to fight, because you could always just select which crisis you want

[SHiFT_DeL3TE]

Originally posted by KALLAX:

So I went back in the save file, gave all my 5800 nav cap + custodian fleet the "invincible" console command, but at the end it was the same with her hull not even getting damaged. Hope that makes it clear :)
Was a little bit salty yesterday but i guess i just have to bring more fleetpower next time

The ♥♥♥♥? Man if cheat commands doesn't kill centana thats kinda busted.

[KALLAX]

Originally posted by SHiFT_DeL3TE:

Originally posted by KALLAX:

So I went back in the save file, gave all my 5800 nav cap + custodian fleet the "invincible" console command, but at the end it was the same with her hull not even getting damaged. Hope that makes it clear :)
Was a little bit salty yesterday but i guess i just have to bring more fleetpower next time

The ♥♥♥♥? Man if cheat commands doesn't kill centana thats kinda busted.

Yeah ... yeah

[Kufesska]

you couldn't kill her due to ... REGEN? O_O
wut
how big was it????

[Kufesska]

i wanna play x25 Cetana now

[Kufesska]

just imagine playing x25 all crisis and Cetana arriving last....

[KALLAX]

Originally posted by Kufesska:

just imagine playing x25 all crisis and Cetana arriving last....

There is a reddit post about that, the guy even won against that abomination.. utterly insane

Originally posted by Kufesska:

you couldn't kill her due to ... REGEN? O_O
wut
how big was it????

She has 76mil hull point and 57mil armor, out of combat she gets 10% daily regen, in combat 1 or 2%... (this data is what i think and may or may not be correct)

[KALLAX]

Originally posted by Kufesska:

i wanna play x25 Cetana now

better bring around 10k fleet power for the final battle with around 20 repeatables in everything, also i read that you should use mainly torps against her, but be careful of her roaming fleets. they have too much evasion, so you need battleships against them, torps will just die

[Kufesska]

wiki says Cetana has 5 Cetana's Nanite Repair System, each giving 25% hull and 20 % armor daily regen
afaik in combat regeneration works 10 times weaker
that supposed to be 12.5% hull and 10% armor daily
from info written above that would be... 9.5 million hull and 5.7 million armor per day
wow

[Kufesska]

i suppose you can overwhelm her regeneration with strikecraft
iirc there is no max cap of strikecraft launched by hangar in battle

[KALLAX]

Originally posted by Kufesska:

wiki says Cetana has 5 Cetana's Nanite Repair System, each giving 25% hull and 20 % armor daily regen
afaik in combat regeneration works 10 times weaker
that supposed to be 12.5% hull and 10% armor daily
from info written above that would be... 9.5 million hull and 5.7 million armor per day
wow

i think that checks out
Edit: 10 million hull a day is too much, it has to be around 1mil

Originally posted by Kufesska:

i suppose you can overwhelm her regeneration with strikecraft
iirc there is no max cap of strikecraft launched by hangar in battle

yeah, this time i purposely didn't use them, even though i did have the repeatables. could have been a mistake

[RCMidas]

I found two things that really really help when it comes to dealing with Cetana. The first is removing her shields, such as by sneakily deploying the Beholder on the far edge of a system, or fighting in a pulsar system, or waiting until a cosmic storm rolls by. A particle storm in particular...hehe, particular, geddit?...will also disable regeneration. This eliminates a huge portion of her health pool from the get-go.

The other is just massing frigates. You will not be able to survive hits at that Crisis strength, so wasting time and alloys is pointless. You absolutely want to throw everything else you have available into the fray at the same time, of course - the Dimensional Fleet, the Pilgrims of Zarqlan, the Cloned Voidworms, Marauder and Mercenary Fleets, the works - but mainly you want to hit Cetana with all the torpedoes you can muster. Everything else is just there to soak up damage and distract her fleets from your frigates.