Progenitor Hive not working?

[Justicar]

I just tried to release my first vassal. I'm playing a devouring swarm, not sure if that's the problem. But every time I try to click release vassal it says we do not own any planet that we can give up? There is only one planet in the sector I want to release! And yes if it's not clear, I am using the progenitor hive origin, going for a whole Zerg/Tyranid thing. Or trying to if it will work. xD

[Magnus Gray]

Same issue here. I haven't found any way to create Offspring Vassals

[Malaficus Shaikan]

Originally posted by Justicar:

I just tried to release my first vassal. I'm playing a devouring swarm, not sure if that's the problem. But every time I try to click release vassal it says we do not own any planet that we can give up? There is only one planet in the sector I want to release! And yes if it's not clear, I am using the progenitor hive origin, going for a whole Zerg/Tyranid thing. Or trying to if it will work. xD

Questions:
1: Does the planet have an ofspring building on it.
2: Does the sector have a governer?

[Justicar]

Originally posted by Malaficus Shaikan:

Originally posted by Justicar:

I just tried to release my first vassal. I'm playing a devouring swarm, not sure if that's the problem. But every time I try to click release vassal it says we do not own any planet that we can give up? There is only one planet in the sector I want to release! And yes if it's not clear, I am using the progenitor hive origin, going for a whole Zerg/Tyranid thing. Or trying to if it will work. xD

Questions:
1: Does the planet have an ofspring building on it.
2: Does the sector have a governer?

Yes to both questions. I have an offspring Nest as well as a governor of my hives species.

[H11DN-D4NG3R]

maybe bugged, or you need to have it get more planets

[Justicar]

Originally posted by H11DN-D4NG3R:

maybe bugged, or you need to have it get more planets

It must be bugged somehow. I've got multiple planets in that sector now and still can't give it independence. I also just finished a war and added a whole new sector with various worlds, can't make that one a vassal either. Be nice if Paradox explained just how it's supposed to work, doesn't make any sense I can take the origin if it's not possible for a devouring hive break away pieces to serve as vassals. And if they are supposed to be able to, as I thought. Then someone should have play tested the thing to notice it's NOT WORKING.

[Taco]

Genocidals can't have vassals... Cause they can't engage in diplomacy.

[Justicar]

Originally posted by Taco:

Genocidals can't have vassals... Cause they can't engage in diplomacy.

Then why am I able to use the Origin as a genocidal? I thought the whole point was this way, you could actually create vassals as hostile swarms. If not it really should say something explaining it will only half work, or simply not allow genocidals to take it. After all it is giving me the buildings, the offspring, and all that stuff.

Paradox should explain their options better. It's not like others didn't express a desire to play something like the Tyranids with this origin. That is a devouring swarm with multiple hive fleets, each one essentially an independent tendril of one greater swarm. How hard was it to let us know it doesn't work that way?

[Taco]

Originally posted by Justicar:

Originally posted by Taco:

Genocidals can't have vassals... Cause they can't engage in diplomacy.

Then why am I able to use the Origin as a genocidal? I thought the whole point was this way, you could actually create vassals as hostile swarms. If not it really should say something explaining it will only half work, or simply not allow genocidals to take it. After all it is giving me the buildings, the offspring, and all that stuff.

Paradox should explain their options better. It's not like others didn't express a desire to play something like the Tyranids with this origin. That is a devouring swarm with multiple hive fleets, each one essentially an independent tendril of one greater swarm. How hard was it to let us know it doesn't work that way?

Because the bonus isn't purely the release of vassals. The building is a stronger version of the nests, the fleet bonus of your offspring ships are decently strong, and the station module is VERY powerful. Also the devouring swarm civic states that "You can't engage in diplomacy with other empires" I don't know why you'd think a vassal isn't a separate empire tbh.

[Justicar]

Originally posted by Taco:

Originally posted by Justicar:

Then why am I able to use the Origin as a genocidal? I thought the whole point was this way, you could actually create vassals as hostile swarms. If not it really should say something explaining it will only half work, or simply not allow genocidals to take it. After all it is giving me the buildings, the offspring, and all that stuff.

Paradox should explain their options better. It's not like others didn't express a desire to play something like the Tyranids with this origin. That is a devouring swarm with multiple hive fleets, each one essentially an independent tendril of one greater swarm. How hard was it to let us know it doesn't work that way?

Because the bonus isn't purely the release of vassals. The building is a stronger version of the nests, the fleet bonus of your offspring ships are decently strong, and the station module is VERY powerful. Also the devouring swarm civic states that "You can't engage in diplomacy with other empires" I don't know why you'd think a vassal isn't a separate empire tbh.

Because I'm not trying to vassalize a separate species. I'm trying to separate an offspring to run a smaller hive, subservient under my own. It makes sense with how the progenitor hive is both described to function, and the fluff on the offspring.

[Azure-Ghost]

Ye, i'm too annoyed that it doesn't work... guess i have to look out for a mod that lifts that limitation to build my zerg empire with offspring swarms.

[Astasia]

Originally posted by Taco:

Genocidals can't have vassals... Cause they can't engage in diplomacy.

Fanatic Purifiers can engage in diplomacy with other empires of the same species, and Determined Exterminators can engage in diplomacy with other machine empires (except Rogue Servitors). It's just Devouring Swarms and Terravores that are basically excluded from interacting with any other empire.

It would make sense if progenitor hives could release vassals, since it's basically an extension of itself. Though the origin doesn't specifically say this is allowed and I'm really not surprised it doesn't work that way.

[Justicar]

Originally posted by Astasia:

Originally posted by Taco:

Genocidals can't have vassals... Cause they can't engage in diplomacy.

Fanatic Purifiers can engage in diplomacy with other empires of the same species, and Determined Exterminators can engage in diplomacy with other machine empires (except Rogue Servitors). It's just Devouring Swarms and Terravores that are basically excluded from interacting with any other empire.

It would make sense if progenitor hives could release vassals, since it's basically an extension of itself. Though the origin doesn't specifically say this is allowed and I'm really not surprised it doesn't work that way.

It literally says can release sectors as vassals on the description. That's why a lot of us are annoyed it's not working, it says nothing about Devouring Swarms not receiving this ability.

[Babel Builder]

This needs to be changed to work with devouring swarm.

[Meewec]

Originally posted by Astasia:

Fanatic Purifiers can engage in diplomacy with other empires of the same species, and Determined Exterminators can engage in diplomacy with other machine empires (except Rogue Servitors). It's just Devouring Swarms and Terravores that are basically excluded from interacting with any other empire.

It would make sense if progenitor hives could release vassals, since it's basically an extension of itself. Though the origin doesn't specifically say this is allowed and I'm really not surprised it doesn't work that way.

purifiers want to kill everything that isn't the same species, exterminators want to kill all the non-machines, devourerers/terravors want to eat everything that isn't them. creating another hive would be making something that you want to eat because it's both food and competition.

[Justicar]

The Tyranids, the Zerg, the Bugs from In Death Ground. There are examples of devouring swarms that do form alliances and use vassal like arrangements with groups of their own species. The Tyranids are broken up into Hive tendrils, each one an independent fleet of mammoth proportions serving the greater purpose of consuming. The Zerg have Cerebrates that can operate independently while still subservient to the direction of the Overmind. The Bugs from In Death Ground, a favorite of mine. Have several different Hive worlds working in tandem. Up until they are pushed to near extinction and the later Hives for the first time refuse to answer the call of the original, acting independently to try saving themselves.

It makes sense for an organism once passing a certain size to break into sub hives to better coordinate itself. That is essentially how the progenitor hive is described. A hive that has evolved to realize it is more efficient by having semi independent parts that improve local performance. It might be a little closer to a hegemony then vassal. Still they should be able to use the Progenitor create vassal mechanic in my opinion.