(Spoilers) New Shroud Teachers Start

[Satori]

Hey all,

Okay so this start confuses me. Psionics is the one thing I never bothered with in this game.

So, I chose this new Psionic start in the expansion and my leaders and stuff can be Psionic. Great.

I build the Shroud Beacon thing on a starbase, it opens a wormhole fine, I go through it. So far so good.

Here's where I run into a problem. Okay so the shroud-touched coven. I talk to them and see these guys have an opinion bar like the other independents so I figure something good happens if you get it to 100.

I literally spend 20,000 credits doing that... I get nothing.

I've gotten a bunch of these new weird temporary buff things, most of which I can't even interact with, and that don't do anything.

I've gotten a bunch of quests where you're supposed to somehow "advance the questline" or situation or whatever but there isn't actually any way to do so.

I thought once I got the dude at the starbase to 100 opinion it'd be like "Congratulations you have shroud powers and the worm and all that now!"

But no, instead I have nothing but a missing 20,000 credits it seems.

Oh, and one of the supposedly "good" event chains from the Shroud stuff I bought reduced my planet to a permanent 0 in stability and happiness, and the colony is now revolting, and nothing will fix it because it's in negatives.... It was a size 25 planet...

So far this shroud stuff seems like utter trash. I wouldn't even go through the stupid wormhole the beacon opens. I'd just use it for the psychic buff to leaders.

Did I make some kind of mistake? What's the deal? This seems nowhere near as good as Synthetic or even Biological ascensions? I feel like I did something wrong.

[Satori]

Bump

[Orion Invictus]

I'm having similar problems. None of the events really seem to do anything. I know that doesn't help, but I'm hoping the devs will notice and reply.

[Yograin]

Dont you save an ascension perk starting as latent psionic?

[Satori]

Originally posted by Yograin:

Dont you save an ascension perk starting as latent psionic?

You do, but the issue is literally all of the Shroud quests are broken. I'm not being hyperbolic. Every single one, without fail, doesn't work. Some even debuff you when you complete them - permanently.

I have no idea how this made it past QA. Surely by now they realize they need more QA people?

The expansion isn't even that big... /facepalm

[Garatgh Deloi]

The shroud has always been a bit of a game of chance in Stellaris, even when you contact the shroud you can get amazing buffs or terrible debuffs. They seem to have done the same with the shroud walkers visions (its basically rolling the wheel of fortune and see what happens).

At least that is the feel i got from it.

[Satori]

Yeah, maybe, except that the buff I got was like... +5% happiness, and the debuffs I got were like, -5000 credits, -25 stability, -25 happiness... Considering I'm *paying* for this "privilege" shouldn't it skew a little more towards the positive side?

I ran it like 15 times in total. At that point I feel like the averages should show it skewed negative.

[Garatgh Deloi]

Originally posted by Satori:

Yeah, maybe, except that the buff I got was like... +5% happiness, and the debuffs I got were like, -5000 credits, -25% stability, -25% happiness... Considering I'm *paying* for this "privilege" shouldn't it skew a little more towards the positive side?

*Shrugs* Haven't done it enough to tell. But, for example, there might be some super buffs in there with a low % to trigger.

We will have to play around with their visions way more or have someone data mine the information to figure it all out.

[frowningmirror]

Originally posted by Yograin:

Dont you save an ascension perk starting as latent psionic?

You get latent psionic as a trait now.

I started next to a witch enclave without the origin and the regular ones you run into without the teacher of the shroud seemed to work exactly the same, not sure if we're all missing something, although I haven't played far into teacher of the shroud.

[Garatgh Deloi]

The fact that you start with latent psionic as a trait saves you a ascension perk (its usually only available by taking "mind over matter"). It also removes the psionic routes biggest weakness, the randomness of getting the first psionic tech.

The origin allows you to fully go down the psionic path rather early game if you are aiming for it.

[Satori]

Originally posted by Garatgh Deloi:

The fact that you start with latent psionic as a trait saves you a ascension perk (its usually only available by taking "mind over matter"). It also removes the psionic routes biggest weakness, the randomness of getting the first psionic tech.

The origin allows you to fully go down the psionic path rather early game if you are aiming for it.

Yeah, true. I think the trick is to just ignore the new expansion content for now, which sucks.

That's my point, it shouldn't be that way. Embracing your Shroud teachers should be a big part of your nature with this start but as it stands you're far better served ignoring the Shroud teachers and just spamming tech for psionics.

Spamming tech as psionic isn't how it should be. You should be learning from your mysterious mentors. Or at least it should be incentivized to do so.

[mayth seragon]

Transcendent still says it requires Mind over Matter, which I don't see anywhere in my line of perks.

[[R|☆] Wonko the Sane]

I'm honestly kind of pissed, I was told by Paradox the shroudwalkers would be an interesting narrative based origin. They have done ♥♥♥♥ all as of yet. I keep paying them loads of resources for a bar to go up and do nothing other than make them a little happier. Which far as I can tell from everyone else will do nothing when it hits max. This better be a bug and I hope it gets fixed fast.

[Skill Less]

Originally posted by mayth seragon:

Transcendent still says it requires Mind over Matter, which I don't see anywhere in my line of perks.

thats a mod conflice then cause you can take Transcendence with this origin.