New DLC contains 'AI Generated Content'

[ambershee]

The developers describe how their game uses AI Generated Content like this:

We employ generative AI technologies during the creation of some assets. Typically this involves the ideation of content and visual reference material. These elements represent a minor component of the overall development. AI has been used to generate voices for an AI antagonist and a player advisor.

Oof. Sorry Paradox, it's been a good 1000 hours and 8 years, but after Astral Plains, the enormous price of the DLC, and then adding an AI Generated Content disclaimer after it went on sale... I am out :(

[Immortalis]

Yeah, they are using an AI to generate the voice for an in-game AI. Why is that a bad thing?

[dhitch89]

Originally posted by Immortalis:

Yeah, they are using an AI to generate the voice for an in-game AI. Why is that a bad thing?

For some people, the mere use of AI = a bad thing on principle. Doesn't matter how small or big the use is, or for what exactly; it just crosses the line on principle, apparently.

[ambershee]

The AI disclosure is required for that reason - the key difference between current tools labelled 'AI' and older existing machine learning techniques, is that current 'AI' is pretty much exclusively trained by scraping the web and using copyrighted materials without the explicit consent or knowledge of the original creator. For this reason I'll simply avoid any product containing 'AI generated' content as it's provenance is automatically dubious and likely unethical (if not potentially outright illegal, but it's going to take a while for various courts to catch up, make rulings and close loopholes on that one).

[Knightspace]

To be fair, for all the ♥♥♥♥ i give to Stellaris dev team, this one isn't a bad implementation of AI. It enriches the experience, while not being detrimental to their own artists, as they don't use pre-existing copyrighted assets to train it.

Just saying. I'm staying on old patches, but this is not an issue, and it even fits thematically.

[CrUsHeR]

Originally posted by dhitch89:

Originally posted by Immortalis:

Yeah, they are using an AI to generate the voice for an in-game AI. Why is that a bad thing?

For some people, the mere use of AI = a bad thing on principle. Doesn't matter how small or big the use is, or for what exactly; it just crosses the line on principle, apparently.

Maybe not a matter of principle, but a matter of perception and intelligence.


When i see deepfakes, i can almost immedately tell. Because the talk of the AI is always incoherent. You hear the words and voice with a matching face, it seems to be from a person. But the words don't properly connect in one flow, since they were individually generated.

ChatGPT or Stable Diffusion are even worse. Everything they can do is pure statistics, producing something which looks like a text or an image, but really is not.


I'm pretty certain that AI generated content in media will have a negative impact similar to how artificial flavoring and flavor enhancers ruined our food. People literally eat poor quality garbage and yet find it tasty. Same thing happens with digital AI content.

It constantly lowers your standards on what is acceptable. This gets most apparent when working with AI yourself.


Download Stable Diffusion, start making prompts. You will quickly see that the result never looks anything like what you had in mind. Then you try to force it by adding more and more keywords to the prompt, download more tools and plugins - but it only gives different results, never replicating your imagination.

In the end, it is you who adapts to the AI.
And this is a very dangerous thing for artists and creativity.

[Prisoner 76561197992841073]

Originally posted by Immortalis:

Yeah, they are using an AI to generate the voice for an in-game AI. Why is that a bad thing?

It means it's orders of magnitudes cheaper, we should see the benefit in a reduction to price also.

[Ericus1]

Originally posted by Jewstein Goldsmith:

Originally posted by Immortalis:

Yeah, they are using an AI to generate the voice for an in-game AI. Why is that a bad thing?

It means it's orders of magnitudes cheaper, we should see the benefit in a reduction to price also.

And yet they raised the price of this DLC.

I'm not a luddite, but I'd rather see artists paid for their work rather than have it stolen to train an AI to make imitations that are simply poor shades of it.

[Azor]

Originally posted by Jewstein Goldsmith:

Originally posted by Immortalis:

Yeah, they are using an AI to generate the voice for an in-game AI. Why is that a bad thing?

It means it's orders of magnitudes cheaper, we should see the benefit in a reduction to price also.

Agreed. It makes their decision to raise prices appear to be even more greedy than it already looks.

[Avan]

I wouldn't care if current AI was actually any good

[Knightspace]

Originally posted by Jewstein Goldsmith:

Originally posted by Immortalis:

Yeah, they are using an AI to generate the voice for an in-game AI. Why is that a bad thing?

It means it's orders of magnitudes cheaper, we should see the benefit in a reduction to price also.

♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ good luck lmao. If you raise your prices once, you never lower them or it will make you look weak and people to expect prices to remain on the sane level.

And this is Paradox. Only bottom line matters.

[Azor]

Originally posted by Knightspace:

Originally posted by Jewstein Goldsmith:

It means it's orders of magnitudes cheaper, we should see the benefit in a reduction to price also.

♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ good luck lmao. If you raise your prices once, you never lower them or it will make you look weak and people to expect prices to remain on the sane level.

And this is Paradox. Only bottom line matters.

Not really. People admire those who admit their mistakes. And Paradox has reverted price changes in the past after enough people complained about it.

[Prisoner 76561197992841073]

Originally posted by Knightspace:

Originally posted by Jewstein Goldsmith:

It means it's orders of magnitudes cheaper, we should see the benefit in a reduction to price also.

♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ good luck lmao. If you raise your prices once, you never lower them or it will make you look weak and people to expect prices to remain on the sane level.

And this is Paradox. Only bottom line matters.

I get it... won't stop us calling them out for it. If they're gonna start using AI, then my expectations from them are gonna change. I'm going to expect way more content, or cheaper prices.

Speaking of prices in general, CA got their asses kicked with their Shadows of Change DLC for Warhammer 3, having to add more content to the DLC later, issue an apology and having to amend their value proposition with future DLC. It's not that far fetched to imagine it happening to Paradox too. It just depends on how many of these new DLC they manage to sell.

[lubed_assassin]

Originally posted by Avan:

I wouldn't care if current AI was actually any good

I agree. WTB output logs for saved games such as prices and demand over time so I can use machine learning predictions to tell me what to build and when in Victoria 3.

[Knightspace]

Originally posted by Jewstein Goldsmith:

Originally posted by Knightspace:

♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ good luck lmao. If you raise your prices once, you never lower them or it will make you look weak and people to expect prices to remain on the sane level.

And this is Paradox. Only bottom line matters.

I get it... won't stop us calling them out for it. If they're gonna start using AI, then my expectations from them are gonna change. I'm going to expect way more content, or cheaper prices.

Speaking of prices in general, CA got their asses kicked with their Shadows of Change DLC for Warhammer 3, having to add more content to the DLC later, issue an apology and having to amend their value proposition with future DLC. It's not that far fetched to imagine it happening to Paradox too. It just depends on how many of these new DLC they manage to sell.

I mean, i'm not saying we shouldn't call them out for it, far from it.

[chorion]

Originally posted by Azor:

Originally posted by Jewstein Goldsmith:

It means it's orders of magnitudes cheaper, we should see the benefit in a reduction to price also.

Agreed. It makes their decision to raise prices appear to be even more greedy than it already looks.

They also used AI for "picture generation",
But yeah totally worth it for half the price of a full game....lol