Cybernetic Creed... wft?

[Ash... Haushaltswaren!]

"Cybernetic Creed - Your empire pursues a divine calling: the holy fusion of the body and cybernetics. Augmentation is worship."


Well,and here I thought spiritualists and robots don't mix. I think it's super lame, that there are robo-spiritualists now.

[Immortalis]

Yeah, it's such an unheard concept in science fiction... whoever would have thought of that?

https://warhammer40k.fandom.com/wiki/Adeptus_Mechanicus

[Nooblington]

I never really understood why being a 'spiritualist' would necessarily preclude you from using robots, actually. What if the God a people worshipped was the 'God of Efficiency' or the 'God of Laziness'. Or perhaps they worship a slaver God but couldn't justify the continued enslavement of their own race so they instead 'enslave' machines.

Although, I do agree that the whole 'Cybernetic Creed' thing is a tad odd. How would such a worldview develop? I can certainly imagine religious societies that allow 'artificial intelligence' but 'divine cybernetics'? A curious concept indeed.

[Ash... Haushaltswaren!]

If there are robo-spiritualists, why not make peacenik-warmongers oder totalitarian-egalitarians?

Cybernetic Creed is just lame, sorry.

[flintfakeer]

Originally posted by Nooblington:

I never really understood why being a 'spiritualist' would necessarily preclude you from using robots, actually. What if the God a people worshipped was the 'God of Efficiency' or the 'God of Laziness'. Or perhaps they worship a slaver God but couldn't justify the continued enslavement of their own race so they instead 'enslave' machines.

Although, I do agree that the whole 'Cybernetic Creed' thing is a tad odd. How would such a worldview develop? I can certainly imagine religious societies that allow 'artificial intelligence' but 'divine cybernetics'? A curious concept indeed.

There are myriad myths where gods or heroes gain a prosthesis. Emulation of gods and heroes is a common form of worship.

Off the top of my head I can look at our history of smallpox blindness and imagine a prophet who spread rudimentary Keratoprosthesis in the name of their god of healing and learning/invention.

[leigh]

it's the kind of spiritualist who has a bunch of tatts and piercings and goes to burning man, not the kind who goes to mass every day and burns a candle for your lost soul.

[Kriss]

You don't understood the weakness of your flesh, don't you?

[Zargothrax]

Religion and technology aren't mutually exclusive, don't see why a cybernetic populace can't be religious as well. As has been proven by popular media before, it seems to be a pretty cool aesthetic.

On a similar note, it always kind of bothered me that being a machine empire excludes you from being spiritualist. I mean, yea, being synthetic usually means you have no concept of life nor afterlife, but what if the creators of said synthetics were religious? Wouldn't that be reflected in the robots they left behind? Same goes for any other ethic, really.

[flintfakeer]

Originally posted by Zargothrax:

Religion and technology aren't mutually exclusive, don't see why a cybernetic populace can't be religious as well. As has been proven by popular media before, it seems to be a pretty cool aesthetic.

On a similar note, it always kind of bothered me that being a machine empire excludes you from being spiritualist. I mean, yea, being synthetic usually means you have no concept of life nor afterlife, but what if the creators of said synthetics were religious? Wouldn't that be reflected in the robots they left behind? Same goes for any other ethic, really.

Stories where intelligent robots treat their creators as gods are pretty commonplace too.

[monkeypunch87]

Originally posted by Zargothrax:

Religion and technology aren't mutually exclusive, don't see why a cybernetic populace can't be religious as well. As has been proven by popular media before, it seems to be a pretty cool aesthetic.

I don't think that the "spiritualist" ethic means religion or religious in Stellaris. The way it is presented in Stellaris is more the general believe in the beauty of the soul of natural things, the spirit. That way it makes sense that they are against AI and robots.

[Antearz]

Guys dont Feed the Troll.
This is such Obvious Bait that it hurts to See People answer it.....

[Ash... Haushaltswaren!]

Im am not a troll, thank you. Spiritualism and materialism are things that are meant to be opposed in Stellaris, gameplay wise.

It doesnt matter how you explain that in ingame terms (something along the lines of spiritual pureness or fragility of wild creatures vs. the messiness or superiority of man-made automats or whatever).

Why Paradox now just mingles spiritualism and materialism is beyond me. Its not even a very interesting or creative thing to do, its just lame.

[Zargothrax]

Originally posted by monkeypunch87:

I don't think that the "spiritualist" ethic means religion or religious in Stellaris. The way it is presented in Stellaris is more the general believe in the beauty of the soul of natural things, the spirit. That way it makes sense that they are against AI and robots.

It seems to be heavily implied that being spiritualist means being religious. Many of the civics unlocked by being spiritualist have to do with religion and the theme permeates every nook and cranny of the ethic itself. At the very least, it easily evolves into religion given a bit of tweaking. I suppose it's meant to be ambiguous to a degree given what the game is.

[Helicopter200]

Looks like some people didnt hear or know about Warhammer 40000 machine god adeptus mechanicus

[Pieshaman]

geth heretics worshipping a reaper as a god.

[Fatty Slonker]

I suppose you probably think that spiritualists shouldn't get access to research either, since they don't "believe" in it?