Why cant I access Cybernetic ascension path if its said in tooltip I can ?

[Ragnaman]

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May I suggest
Driven Assimilator:

"Allows access to "Organo-Machine Interfacing" ascension perk, which leads to Cybernetic tradition."

[Elitewrecker PT]

Read the second tooltip.

[lethminite]

Do you have the "Organo-Machine Interfacing" Ascension Perk? that the tool tip is saying is the reason you can't select it?

[Ragnaman]

Originally posted by Elitewrecker PT:

Read the second tooltip.

Read the first tooltip.

[Ragnaman]

Originally posted by lethminite:

Do you have the "Organo-Machine Interfacing" Ascension Perk? that the tool tip is saying is the reason you can't select it?

So "Allows access to the Cybernetic ascension path" might as well not exist in the Driven Assimilator tooltip ? Because it serves no purpose ?

[Immortalis]

Originally posted by Ragnaman:

Originally posted by lethminite:

Do you have the "Organo-Machine Interfacing" Ascension Perk? that the tool tip is saying is the reason you can't select it?

So "Allows access to the Cybernetic ascension path" might as well not exist in the Driven Assimilator tooltip ? Because it serves no purpose ?

Not at all.

Allows access to means that your nation can choose that ascension path. Has access would mean you would be granted it directly. The two sentences are not equal.

And having access to it, you'll still need the pre-requisites, which in this case means researching a specific technology.
Without the "allow access", even having researched that tech, you'd still be unable to choose that ascension path.

[Elitewrecker PT]

Originally posted by Ragnaman:

Originally posted by lethminite:

Do you have the "Organo-Machine Interfacing" Ascension Perk? that the tool tip is saying is the reason you can't select it?

So "Allows access to the Cybernetic ascension path" might as well not exist in the Driven Assimilator tooltip ? Because it serves no purpose ?

No, because otherwise your only option is the synthetic path - after selecting the relevant perk.
Cybernetic, synthetic, psionic, or biological are ascension paths - these require a specific ascension perk to be picked before the tradition path can be adopted.

[Elitewrecker PT]

Originally posted by Ragnaman:

Originally posted by Elitewrecker PT:

Read the second tooltip.

Read the first tooltip.

Read both

[Ragnaman]

Originally posted by Immortalis:

Originally posted by Ragnaman:

So "Allows access to the Cybernetic ascension path" might as well not exist in the Driven Assimilator tooltip ? Because it serves no purpose ?

Not at all.

Allows access to means that your nation can choose that ascension path. Has access would mean you would be granted it directly. The two sentences are not equal.

And having access to it, you'll still need the pre-requisites, which in this case means researching a specific technology.
Without the "allow access", even having researched that tech, you'd still be unable to choose that ascension path.

Only Driven Assimilators have access to this ascension path and nobody else ?

[Elitewrecker PT]

No, regular empires can also choose it.

[Azunai]

You can't pick the ascension paths as your first tradition. You must enable them by first picking the associated ascension perk, so youhave to complete a different tradition first to even get an ascension point for that pick. And in the case of assimilators, their version of the cyber ascension perk also requires you to have assimilated pops.

[Ragnaman]

So why isnt every civics tooltip also saying "Allows access to the Cybernetic ascension path" ?
Why exactly Driven Assemblers civic must have this on its tooltip to confuse if Driven Assemblers civic isnt exactly necessary to have access to the Cybernetic Ascension path ?

Sounds like its just redundant.

[Ragnaman]

Originally posted by Elitewrecker PT:

Originally posted by Ragnaman:

Read the first tooltip.

Read both

First true statement is met in the first tooltip, second statement can be thus ignored.

[Elitewrecker PT]

Because Machine Empires specifically can't have it otherwise. It says that because it's the exception civic.

[Elitewrecker PT]

Originally posted by Ragnaman:

Originally posted by Elitewrecker PT:

Read both

First true statement is met in the first tooltip, second statement can be thus ignored.

No, it can't be ignored.
The first statement is met - you can pick that path, provided you meet the requirements for that path, which you don't (which is the ascension perk). ALL ascension paths require a specific perk.

[echoes222]

Originally posted by Ragnaman:

So why isnt every civics tooltip also saying "Allows access to the Cybernetic ascension path" ?
Why exactly Driven Assemblers civic must have this on its tooltip to confuse if Driven Assemblers civic isnt exactly necessary to have access to the Cybernetic Ascension path ?

Sounds like its just redundant.

because normally, you wouldn't be able to ascend this way as a machine. This civic gives you access to that