Challenging Origin is actually strong?

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Is it just me or the two new "challenging" origins only seem to put you behind for the first 15 years, in another 15 you've got some really strong advantages.

[Yhvh10]

Im hoping thats the case. Just started Payback and am 4 years in and I am kinda worried some other empire is going to come knock my teeth out

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I've mostly played as Broken Shackles so far. The diversity at the start seems like an advantage, I combined it with shared burdens

[Yhvh10]

I admit. Access to a Titan Sized Vessel literally at the start has really helped to not get axed by a neighbor early on

[JuryCyber]

Originally posted by Yhvh10:

I admit. Access to a Titan Sized Vessel literally at the start has really helped to not get axed by a neighbor early on

So true bro and the phase that pre-ftl go through is so unreal, but what got me was the debt collector. Lol really.... pay them 8 pops before i did something about it. Warring it out right now and hoping they come back. I was so dumb founded right off the back when they pop up talking about pay us and you wont be done paying us for another 26000+ years. Like yea ok, about to gears of war hammer of dawn them straight into the ground.

Gotta hand it to them, The game truely for me feels alive. Now if they can just add the spread of diseases and update ground combat, reality would kick in fast for some of us.

[Yhvh10]

Originally posted by JuryCyber:

Originally posted by Yhvh10:

I admit. Access to a Titan Sized Vessel literally at the start has really helped to not get axed by a neighbor early on

So true bro and the phase that pre-ftl go through is so unreal, but what got me was the debt collector. Lol really.... pay them 8 pops before i did something about it. Warring it out right now and hoping they come back. I was so dumb founded right off the back when they pop up talking about pay us and you wont be done paying us for another 26000+ years. Like yea ok, about to gears of war hammer of dawn them straight into the ground.

Gotta hand it to them, The game truely for me feels alive. Now if they can just add the spread of diseases and update ground combat, reality would kick in fast for some of us.

The game is definitely feeling very good. Loving it absolutely.

The debt collectors, lolol. I admit it was fun watching them throw themselves at my rather massive defensive array.

The biggest issue I ran into with the Payback origin was the lack of early pops. Losing over a third of my population at the very start really sucks and cuts into my early growth and expansion. However it wasnt enough to pose a major problem. More of a challenging hurdle than anything else.

Really the biggest issue I have that has NOT been addressed is vassal stability.

Its the most annoying thing for me. Because I LOVE Vassals, however due to the ethics changes, they basically collapse within a couple years thanks to the horrid stability issues the vassals suffer from.