CHATPGT-4 in stellaris

[Stellaris enjoyer]

Is anyaone can integrate Chatgpt-4 in stellaris. For example you can communicate with other country as you want and say them what you want. Their answer will be based on the principles of the state.

[Ryika]

No.

[Immortalis]

It won't work. At least not with this level of technology.

Chatgpt is not a lite-program of a few MBs, it's a massive database that relies on an equally massive infrastructure (let alone the discussion about having it in multiple languages). You'd have to create a mod / DLC / update (call it however you want) of hundreds of GBs to accompany a game measuring in the low double digit (right now my folder is barely above the 16 GBs mark).

And even if you manage something like that, it would slow down the game so much that it will turn into a slogfest as soon as you meet an alien empire. And the more the game goes on the more interactions the system would need to record.

And that's leaving aside the entire argument about "How would the chat influence the other empire". For example, if I tell them "I won't attack you" do you want that sentence to translate into what? A non aggression pact? A simple promise that I'm free to break? Would the empire trust me and leave the border undefendend or dismantle a few ships...


Honestly, it's not a "just put the square in the appropriately shaped hole and call it a day" approach

[Stellaris enjoyer]

Originally posted by Immortalis:

It won't work. At least not with this level of technology.

Chatgpt is not a lite-program of a few MBs, it's a massive database that relies on an equally massive infrastructure (let alone the discussion about having it in multiple languages). You'd have to create a mod / DLC / update (call it however you want) of hundreds of GBs to accompany a game measuring in the low double digit (right now my folder is barely above the 16 GBs mark).

And even if you manage something like that, it would slow down the game so much that it will turn into a slogfest as soon as you meet an alien empire. And the more the game goes on the more interactions the system would need to record.

And that's leaving aside the entire argument about "How would the chat influence the other empire". For example, if I tell them "I won't attack you" do you want that sentence to translate into what? A non aggression pact? A simple promise that I'm free to break? Would the empire trust me and leave the border undefendend or dismantle a few ships...


Honestly, it's not a "just put the square in the appropriately shaped hole and call it a day" approach

okay, thx

[Twelve-Oh-One Alarm]

Originally posted by Immortalis:

It won't work. At least not with this level of technology.

Chatgpt is not a lite-program of a few MBs, it's a massive database that relies on an equally massive infrastructure (let alone the discussion about having it in multiple languages). You'd have to create a mod / DLC / update (call it however you want) of hundreds of GBs to accompany a game measuring in the low double digit (right now my folder is barely above the 16 GBs mark).

And even if you manage something like that, it would slow down the game so much that it will turn into a slogfest as soon as you meet an alien empire. And the more the game goes on the more interactions the system would need to record.

And that's leaving aside the entire argument about "How would the chat influence the other empire". For example, if I tell them "I won't attack you" do you want that sentence to translate into what? A non aggression pact? A simple promise that I'm free to break? Would the empire trust me and leave the border undefendend or dismantle a few ships...


Honestly, it's not a "just put the square in the appropriately shaped hole and call it a day" approach

I don't know why you think you have to download and use it locally. ChatGPT has an API you can call, and their cheaper models are far sufficient for flavor text in Stellaris. Additionally, local LLMs do exist and run just fine on newer hardware. Even my aging GTX 1080 can be used for inference on reasonable sized models and give a usable output.

There is nothing stopping anyone from putting this into Stellaris, except that it's a silly gimmick.

[Immortalis]

Originally posted by prick:

I don't know why you think you have to download and use it locally. ChatGPT has an API you can call, and their cheaper models are far sufficient for flavor text in Stellaris. Additionally, local LLMs do exist and run just fine on newer hardware. Even my aging GTX 1080 can be used for inference on reasonable sized models and give a usable output.

There is nothing stopping anyone from putting this into Stellaris, except that it's a silly gimmick.

First of all no game company (really no software house and realistically speaking no company at all) will allow a connection to a server they do not control as an integral part of their game. So even if you want to go on the "online provider" route, that would still require a huge investment by Paradox since that would basically be equivalent to the creation of their own in-house ChatGPT.

Secondly, it doesn't change the fact that if you want the dialogue you have with an AI empire to have any impact on the game (let alone any lasting impact that goes behind a simple plus or minus on the diplomacy score) you'll need to rework the entire game.

But sure, since your aging GTX 1080 can do it, by all means, feel free to prove me wrong.

[Twelve-Oh-One Alarm]

Originally posted by Immortalis:

Originally posted by prick:

I don't know why you think you have to download and use it locally. ChatGPT has an API you can call, and their cheaper models are far sufficient for flavor text in Stellaris. Additionally, local LLMs do exist and run just fine on newer hardware. Even my aging GTX 1080 can be used for inference on reasonable sized models and give a usable output.

There is nothing stopping anyone from putting this into Stellaris, except that it's a silly gimmick.

First of all no game company (really no software house and realistically speaking no company at all) will allow a connection to a server they do not control as an integral part of their game.

Do you want to know how I know that you don't work in software?

[-=EDF=- Kouta Seto]

Laugh now or later? Those AI stuff and programs are so inferior to humans it actualy HURTS! I thought we would be FAR MORE ADVANCED as a society... yea i was wrong hard time...

You want that? Then as mod. Nothing else. I dont want that ♥♥♥♥ called AI in my games safe the one that controlls the empires etc. aka THE BASE GAME ENGINE!

Also what @Immortalis said. The game is simply not designed for that NOR will it ever be. And seriously? Thats a good thing. If AI deems it logical to basicaly SPREAD FAKE NEW'S i dont want that to actualy EXIST!

[Immortalis]

Originally posted by prick:

Do you want to know how I know that you don't work in software?

Let's hear it. I'd also like a list of software companies that not only have their product linked to a third party server they have absolutely no control or oversight over but specifically make it an integral part of that product.

[Twelve-Oh-One Alarm]

Originally posted by Immortalis:

Originally posted by prick:

Do you want to know how I know that you don't work in software?

Let's hear it. I'd also like a list of software companies that not only have their product linked to a third party server they have absolutely no control or oversight over but specifically make it an integral part of that product.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Software_as_a_service
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Infrastructure_as_a_service

[Simpson3k]

Originally posted by Immortalis:

It won't work. At least not with this level of technology.

Chatgpt is not a lite-program of a few MBs, it's a massive database that relies on an equally massive infrastructure (let alone the discussion about having it in multiple languages). You'd have to create a mod / DLC / update (call it however you want) of hundreds of GBs to accompany a game measuring in the low double digit (right now my folder is barely above the 16 GBs mark).

And even if you manage something like that, it would slow down the game so much that it will turn into a slogfest as soon as you meet an alien empire. And the more the game goes on the more interactions the system would need to record.

And that's leaving aside the entire argument about "How would the chat influence the other empire". For example, if I tell them "I won't attack you" do you want that sentence to translate into what? A non aggression pact? A simple promise that I'm free to break? Would the empire trust me and leave the border undefendend or dismantle a few ships...


Honestly, it's not a "just put the square in the appropriately shaped hole and call it a day" approach

Well a Stellaris chat gpt does not neet the whole information the one accessable on OpenAI uses. It only needs Stellaris lore from each and every content in the games code so that a conversations can be made about it. No leader in stellaris needs to talk about the trade value per year of south carolina or the reason for kidney stones.

Galciv IV will be equipped with a version of chatgpt to create your own empire just from a promt so i think alot is possible with that feature.

[Immortalis]

I'll just stand by my very first line, hoping to be proven wrong in the near future.

Originally posted by Immortalis:

It won't work. At least not with this level of technology.

[Holo]

DUDE THE ACTUAL DEVELOPERS CAN'T RELEASE A WORKING PATCH AND FIX THE PERFORMANCE IN A LATE GAME AND YOU ASKING FOR SUCH THINGS

[Synopse]

They could use ChatGPT to code the game. It would be a good start I guess.

[LuvianQ]

So many confidently incorrect comments, sheesh...

Somebody already something similar for Skyrim, although It was made for a single NPC. But keep in mind that this was just 1 person with nowhere near the tools or potential man hours that Paradox has yet they still managed to do it by using the OpenAI API.

Look it up on the Nexus... It's not perfect but definitely not out of the realm of possibility like so many comments here are claiming.

[RoofKorea=BestKorea]

Galactic Civ 4 is using GPT4 in their game.
There is a skyrim mod that uses it too, with AI voiceacting.
It is actually ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ astounding.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d6sVWEu9HWU