Hive Minds

[Sov]

I am not sure if this is a thing in the game but why can't you get a tradition that converts your population into a Hive Mind when you complete either the Synthetic or Cybernetics tree.

I would like the option to forcibly connect all my pops into a Hive Mind mid-way through the game and then be permitted to reform the Government into a Hive Mind so I can put on Assimilators during the game.

[bjamminloe]

Hivemind is something you have to start with. Some pre-FTL civs can convert to hive mind (fun to watch, btw), but any human operated civ has to start as hive mind.

[Elitewrecker PT]

Yeah, you can't "become" a hive mind empire mid-game. The most you can do, if you go genetic ascension, is to turn regular free-will biological pops into hive-minded pops if you're a hive mind (i.e. assimilating them instead of having to purge them or displace them) or hive-minded into free-will pops if you're not a hive mind (again, instead of purging or displacing them).

[Satnol]

Never thought about it actually. They should make it possible to convert to a Hive Mind by an acension perk or something. That would be really cool!

[felmari]

they did it with machines. psionic is almost there in theory much like cyborg is almost synth.

[Elitewrecker PT]

DId what with machines?

[felmari]

Originally posted by Elitewrecker PT:

DId what with machines?

you are able to have organics become full machines or synthetics.

i am saying they could add it much like they added synths.

[Elitewrecker PT]

That's not the same as becoming a machine empire. You have all your pops becoming synths, but they're still free-willed.

[felmari]

i am not saying they are they same i am saying they could be implemented similarly.


i am not sure what free will has to do with change. it is entirely possible right now to change ethics from for instance xenophile to xenophobe.

[Elitewrecker PT]

But hive minds can already assimilate other bio pops which would be the only similar thing there.
The point is that there's no current way to change your empire's authority from regular/megacorps to gestalt.

[felmari]

ok.

and that does make sense but could also be implemented that way no?

should be a process though or something in game i would think.

[Elitewrecker PT]

Paradox could of course implement some system officially.
In the meantime, all I know of is this, at least for machine empires.
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2441507863&searchtext=machine+expansion

[felmari]

right i misunderstood the question.

this is totally what determined assimilates should have been imo.

[Elitewrecker PT]

Right. Assimilators can turn bio pops into cyborgs, which is similar to what hive minds and regular genetic-ascended empires can do. But you're only turning those pops into more usable ones, not actually transitioning from a regular empire into a gestalt consciousness.

[Mallow, The Bunny 💗]

That doesn't even make sense. How do you "force" someone to change their biological composition to become a drone?
Stellaris Hive Minds are always grown over a long period of time in which genetic change just happens slowly and turns pop into drones that connect to have a collective will.
Even IF you found a way to "force" that development into something completely else: Why exactly would a government do that? Hive MInds do not have a government. They all think together and decide together. The "immortal ruler" thing is missleading. It's not a "ruler", not a "government". It's the will of the drones combined.
So even if you found a way to brute force evolution in a certain direction: Wouldn't it be to eradicate the will of people so they become mindless slaves rather than to get superbrains connecting to each others that don't need you as government?

There's slaver states already. Making it possible to make your biological Empire a completely different kind of life just willy-nilly takes the "science" completely out of the "science fiction".

One step further and we have midichlorians and lightsabers.

[Big mean bunny]

Originally posted by Mallow, The Bunny 💗:

That doesn't even make sense. How do you "force" someone to change their biological composition to become a drone?
Stellaris Hive Minds are always grown over a long period of time in which genetic change just happens slowly and turns pop into drones that connect to have a collective will.
Even IF you found a way to "force" that development into something completely else: Why exactly would a government do that? Hive MInds do not have a government. They all think together and decide together. The "immortal ruler" thing is missleading. It's not a "ruler", not a "government". It's the will of the drones combined.
So even if you found a way to brute force evolution in a certain direction: Wouldn't it be to eradicate the will of people so they become mindless slaves rather than to get superbrains connecting to each others that don't need you as government?

There's slaver states already. Making it possible to make your biological Empire a completely different kind of life just willy-nilly takes the "science" completely out of the "science fiction".

One step further and we have midichlorians and lightsabers.

Not a fan of Starcraft then? I mean Kerrigan was abducted and quicly turned into a hive mind leader and Star treks borg are effectively a hive mind.