Any way to have an anti-slave playthrough?

[Gokki]

Is there a way to go to war with empires that have legal slaves, and work on capturing slaves free into my empire? Similar to Nihilistic Acquisition but only for Slaves, freeing them automatically as they join my empire?

And perhaps even have science-ship-based events that follow clues into finding slave pops around the galaxy to set up freeing espionage ops.

More that could be done, but in general: my goal would be to be a "Righteous Crusader" against slavery, against vassalage, against purge playthrough. Anyone got any info about it?

[Geoff]

If you prohibit slavery but buy slaves on the galactic slave market, they are immediately emancipated when they arrive on your territory. If you sign migration treaties with slaving empires, their slaves will come to your territory and be immediately emancipated. You can set your war policy to ideological and force them to adopt your values, which can make it impossible for them to hold people in slavery. There's an ascension perk that lets you kidnap another empire's population off their planets. Most people use it to capture slaves not the other way around, but you could give that a try too.

[Geoff]

Originally posted by Geoff:

If you prohibit slavery but buy slaves on the galactic slave market, they are immediately emancipated when they arrive on your territory. If you sign migration treaties with slaving empires, their slaves will come to your territory and be immediately emancipated. You can set your war policy to ideological and force them to adopt your values, which can make it impossible for them to hold people in slavery. There's an ascension perk that lets you kidnap another empire's population off their planets. Most people use it to capture slaves not the other way around, but you could give that a try too.

I guess another key route to do it is through diplomatic pressure. In the Galactic Community you can get the ban on organic and sentient slave trades (the second applies to sentient robots) passed and that puts any remaining slavers in breach of galactic law. Many will abandon the policy rather than risk the wrath of the galactic community. There's a lot of different ways to go about what you're trying to do and each of them have interesting ethical implications. Buying slaves to free them is a quick way to set them free, but at the expense of actually supporting the slaver regime's economy. I may drop another route to your goal if I can think of one, though those are most of the ones I've explored, I think.

[Chthonic Guardian]

This is Paradox. You know you can be anti slaver in the game. lol
80% of my leader recruit pool comes with mismatched gender and names.
They don't shy away from including their politics into the game.

Having said that: yeah, slaves are outlawed in all my Empires, before the pitchfork squad comes for me.

[HappySack]

That's one of the selling points of the Broken Shackles origin, fighting against slavery either peacefully or forcefully.

[Geoff]

Originally posted by Chthonic Guardian:

This is Paradox. You know you can be anti slaver in the game. lol
80% of my leader recruit pool comes with mismatched gender and names.
They don't shy away from including their politics into the game.

Having said that: yeah, slaves are outlawed in all my Empires, before the pitchfork squad comes for me.

The SPQR nameset is there if you're finding the UNE nameset isn't racist enough for you.

[Chthonic Guardian]

Originally posted by Geoff:

Originally posted by Chthonic Guardian:

This is Paradox. You know you can be anti slaver in the game. lol
80% of my leader recruit pool comes with mismatched gender and names.
They don't shy away from including their politics into the game.

Having said that: yeah, slaves are outlawed in all my Empires, before the pitchfork squad comes for me.

The SPQR nameset is there if you're finding the UNE nameset isn't racist enough for you.

Yes, gender appropriate names with the correct gender portraits in most cases (allowing for accurate % of deviation from norm) is "racist".
As far as I know 80% of people don't have non gender conforming names, yet.

[Elitewrecker PT]

No idea on that 80% non-conforming names, I never played humans.

[felmari]

I have yet to play a democratic crusader run but... I have seen in some games where the AI have powerful DCs and basically convert the galaxy. Good goal but it basically makes everyone the same with very little conflicts at that stage.

[Gokki]

I see, so it's not directly possible other than doing a political playthrough to get slavery banned galaxy-wise. Kinda deflates the entire prospect. Also: i utterly reject the notion of buying slaves to free them, that's a giant middle finger to the effort because it directly fuels the slave market. No - i want to fight slavery as a righteous crusader.

I guess fingers crossed that Paradox implements this mechanic some day and then wait some more until those DLCs go on sale x)

[Geoff]

Originally posted by Elitewrecker PT:

No idea on that 80% non-conforming names, I never played humans.

It's nonsense. By this logic Rainier Maria Rilke would be a trans activist. And of course he's not going to spell out what would be so wrong with it if it were so.

[Geoff]

Originally posted by Gokki:

I see, so it's not directly possible other than doing a political playthrough to get slavery banned galaxy-wise. Kinda deflates the entire prospect. Also: i utterly reject the notion of buying slaves to free them, that's a giant middle finger to the effort because it directly fuels the slave market. No - i want to fight slavery as a righteous crusader.

I guess fingers crossed that Paradox implements this mechanic some day and then wait some more until those DLCs go on sale x)

Well it is a war option. Make yourself egalitarian and xenophile then set your war doctrine to ideological. If you win they will adopt your ethics and liberate their slaves.

[𝒞𝒶𝓉𝓎𝒶♡]

Originally posted by Geoff:

Originally posted by Gokki:

I see, so it's not directly possible other than doing a political playthrough to get slavery banned galaxy-wise. Kinda deflates the entire prospect. Also: i utterly reject the notion of buying slaves to free them, that's a giant middle finger to the effort because it directly fuels the slave market. No - i want to fight slavery as a righteous crusader.

I guess fingers crossed that Paradox implements this mechanic some day and then wait some more until those DLCs go on sale x)

Well it is a war option. Make yourself egalitarian and xenophile then set your war doctrine to ideological. If you win they will adopt your ethics and liberate their slaves.

Yes, OP literally can fight wars of "freedom and liberation", a crusader type empire who makes everyone else accept same ethics and thus same policies. I have done so and it can be fun.

Alltho, i do admit i most often play as the opposite or as Isolationist minding my own business, until someone wants to take my property, or is a galactic problem and a menace. Sometimes lessons of humility comes with losses of claimed territories. Also, the conquered empires populations are always happy to join me, their new Empress. Well, in case of Hive minds i might have to show them the air lock door. You just can't reason with some people.

[Geoff]

Originally posted by Lelu💜:

Originally posted by Geoff:

Well it is a war option. Make yourself egalitarian and xenophile then set your war doctrine to ideological. If you win they will adopt your ethics and liberate their slaves.

Yes, OP literally can fight wars of "freedom and liberation", a crusader type empire who makes everyone else accept same ethics and thus same policies. I have done so and it can be fun.

Alltho, i do admit i most often play as the opposite or as Isolationist minding my own business, until someone wants to take my property, or is a galactic problem and a menace. Sometimes lessons of humility comes with losses of claimed territories. Also, the conquered empires populations are always happy to join me, their new Empress. Well, in case of Hive minds i might have to show them the air lock door. You just can't reason with some people.

Yeah, I find the game is more rewarding if you let go of the expectation that you can control anything. A determined exterminator on the march in the far end of the galaxy is something you CAN send out a fleet to get involved in stopping. But watching race after race fall, accepting the refugees as they flee into your territory, bracing yourself for their eventual arrival is a lot more realistic and intense.

The "liberal imperialism" of the "Galactic Threat" mechanics are not something I'm super fond of. "Oh they're the bad guys so all the rules of interstellar law don't apply" is.... y'know. A commentary, I guess. But it'd be nice if the game left more space for the idea that for some kinds of ideologies, the rules apply especially and most importantly when the other person's atrocities make you want to throw them out the window.

[Geoff]

Originally posted by Geoff:

Yeah, I find the game is more rewarding if you let go of the expectation that you can control anything.

My bad. "Control EVERYTHING" not "control ANYTHING"

[𝒞𝒶𝓉𝓎𝒶♡]

Originally posted by Geoff:

Originally posted by Lelu💜:

Yes, OP literally can fight wars of "freedom and liberation", a crusader type empire who makes everyone else accept same ethics and thus same policies. I have done so and it can be fun.

Alltho, i do admit i most often play as the opposite or as Isolationist minding my own business, until someone wants to take my property, or is a galactic problem and a menace. Sometimes lessons of humility comes with losses of claimed territories. Also, the conquered empires populations are always happy to join me, their new Empress. Well, in case of Hive minds i might have to show them the air lock door. You just can't reason with some people.

Yeah, I find the game is more rewarding if you let go of the expectation that you can control anything. A determined exterminator on the march in the far end of the galaxy is something you CAN send out a fleet to get involved in stopping. But watching race after race fall, accepting the refugees as they flee into your territory, bracing yourself for their eventual arrival is a lot more realistic and intense.

The "liberal imperialism" of the "Galactic Threat" mechanics are not something I'm super fond of. "Oh they're the bad guys so all the rules of interstellar law don't apply" is.... y'know. A commentary, I guess. But it'd be nice if the game left more space for the idea that for some kinds of ideologies, the rules apply especially and most importantly when the other person's atrocities make you want to throw them out the window.

Yeah true.

Actually one of my top3 fun runs was when i first time played as a machine Assimilator, i was supposed to play as sort of "Nice robot girl of the neighborhood" type of AI Queen, who would actually play nicely and as much as "normal empire" as can, not even aggressively but i planned to get just economical win by the victory date, obviously lots of score comes from endgame Crisis ships destroyed etc also.

Anyways, i was acting friendly as best as could, but every biological empire hated me (knew it will be so due to already mentioned lowered opinion everyone has for such a choice), and every diplomatic encounter they kept saying comments like "Keep your filthy assimilating gear away from me" and "We will soon pull the plug from you", stuff like that.. there was only one other AI empire, we ended up being "allies" of sorts. I had really strong fleet, yet, biologicals formed a big Federation (i was not let in, some of them had -2000 opinion about me for no reason lol, so racist lmao) and they declared war as a Federation group. I won that war, barely, but still.

And from the friendly AI Queen, i went to.. assimilating. They were not deemed worthy to be let continue wasting air of perfectly nice planets by breathing it and destroying environments like vermin they were. Galactic hatred towards us, the perfect machines was solved by assimilating. They became one of us, or close enough with some modifying. We kept going until there was no one else, but us. Everyone was us, and we were everyone and everywhere. There was only the original creators code, the program now runs in all.

In fact, once you kinda have one or few runs like that, or as Purifier/Exterminator.. you kinda go while playing normal empires and meet them: "I know how you feel, it do be like that sometimes.." and understand their deep urge to purge the galaxy from everyone else. You been there. :P Naturally gotta bring their systems some liberation and freedom, no matter if they wanted it or not, but you gotta do what gotta do, right? But can still salute them when their last fleets and planets go down, for bravely fighting to the end.