Why do i have a hard time with Robot empires

[Jin Shepard]

So.. i am playing one for many times, and for some reason, the amount of energy i need to build up on various worlds, and using all my stations for it, i lack the fleet power to compete against the ai and endgame ♥♥♥♥. I just dont have enough naval capacity. Not sure why but its like a downward spiral, iam doing something horrible wrong but.. what?

[x]

I haven't played machine empires but it's probably just your economy not being optimized. Do you have resource issues with other empire types?

You should be able to get something like +1k energy, +500 minerals, +500 food, +1k alloys, etc by end game, even without megastructures, regardless of empire type.

If you haven't learned to achieve that, you likely need to build your fundamental understanding of the economy and how to optimize it, rather than any specific machine empire tips.

[Jin Shepard]

Originally posted by x:

I haven't played machine empires but it's probably just your economy not being optimized. Do you have resource issues with other empire types?

You should be able to get something like +1k energy, +500 minerals, +500 food, +1k alloys, etc by end game, even without megastructures, regardless of empire type.

If you haven't learned to achieve that, you likely need to build your fundamental understanding of the economy and how to optimize it, rather than any specific machine empire tips.

I got atm 11planets, being fueled by 10 ish habitats for special resources and just robots.
Of those 10 i got 3 energy 1 mineral 3 alloy 2 fortress 2 tech with 15 stations of which 2 are shipyards ( i got a wide empire =\ ) 10 of them are also energy, the rest are defensive.

I dont have enough fleetpower to keep up with the AI ( i think second to last difficulty ) because all of my efford is going into mostly energy and alloy production which is somehow very low. That of what you speak i can easy obtain of not dubble with none machine empires. Maybe i lack planets to really take into account the power of the machines. I just started to get everything into Machine worlds though, so maybe that is gonna do some good.

[Big mean bunny]

Robot empires are quite strong on base economy to make up for a lack of trade. Trade has been buffed so non robot empires are doing better than before. To boost economy further maybe try robot specialists on dedicated planets. They get good multiplier bonuses and machine worlds make a big difference if you have themed worlds and workers. Also try farming lithiods if you are short on minerals.
Alloy production needs to be boosted whenever possible with buildings , edicts etc. If you can mod your largest type of robot pop to require less maintenance that will help.

[DYNIA]

Originally posted by Jin Shepard:

So.. i am playing one for many times, and for some reason, the amount of energy i need to build up on various worlds, and using all my stations for it, i lack the fleet power to compete against the ai and endgame ♥♥♥♥. I just dont have enough naval capacity. Not sure why but its like a downward spiral, iam doing something horrible wrong but.. what?

skill isssue

[Jin Shepard]

Originally posted by Big mean bunny:

Robot empires are quite strong on base economy to make up for a lack of trade. Trade has been buffed so non robot empires are doing better than before. To boost economy further maybe try robot specialists on dedicated planets. They get good multiplier bonuses and machine worlds make a big difference if you have themed worlds and workers. Also try farming lithiods if you are short on minerals.
Alloy production needs to be boosted whenever possible with buildings , edicts etc. If you can mod your largest type of robot pop to require less maintenance that will help.

Hmm https://imgur.com/a/E8sM0Ma In this pic you can see that i got my economy in order ( Dyson Sphere coming online after the pic ) but my fleet capacity is to low, far to low in order to do anything about any neighbor. It doesn't help they constantly get themselves into subjects so quick, sometimes feels to quick. I wonder if i might expand to quickly for robots to shine.

Originally posted by DYNIA:

Originally posted by Jin Shepard:

So.. i am playing one for many times, and for some reason, the amount of energy i need to build up on various worlds, and using all my stations for it, i lack the fleet power to compete against the ai and endgame ♥♥♥♥. I just dont have enough naval capacity. Not sure why but its like a downward spiral, iam doing something horrible wrong but.. what?

skill isssue

Pro response mate, really constructive feedback! idiot.

[xVALERAx]

Originally posted by Jin Shepard:

Originally posted by Big mean bunny:

Robot empires are quite strong on base economy to make up for a lack of trade. Trade has been buffed so non robot empires are doing better than before. To boost economy further maybe try robot specialists on dedicated planets. They get good multiplier bonuses and machine worlds make a big difference if you have themed worlds and workers. Also try farming lithiods if you are short on minerals.
Alloy production needs to be boosted whenever possible with buildings , edicts etc. If you can mod your largest type of robot pop to require less maintenance that will help.

Hmm https://imgur.com/a/E8sM0Ma In this pic you can see that i got my economy in order ( Dyson Sphere coming online after the pic ) but my fleet capacity is to low, far to low in order to do anything about any neighbor. It doesn't help they constantly get themselves into subjects so quick, sometimes feels to quick. I wonder if i might expand to quickly for robots to shine.

Originally posted by DYNIA:

skill isssue

Pro response mate, really constructive feedback! idiot.

about that pro response, he is right tho. If you want a constructive feedback, how bout turning in some screenshots etc?

You just gave us a cover of the book you writing. Now show us what you buiild on plantes. Example not enought naval cap? Why don't you build a fortress on each planet for example? Idk achieving 2k naval cap is not difficult.

[Jin Shepard]

Originally posted by xVALERAx:

Originally posted by Jin Shepard:

Hmm https://imgur.com/a/E8sM0Ma In this pic you can see that i got my economy in order ( Dyson Sphere coming online after the pic ) but my fleet capacity is to low, far to low in order to do anything about any neighbor. It doesn't help they constantly get themselves into subjects so quick, sometimes feels to quick. I wonder if i might expand to quickly for robots to shine.



Pro response mate, really constructive feedback! idiot.

about that pro response, he is right tho. If you want a constructive feedback, how bout turning in some screenshots etc?

You just gave us a cover of the book you writing. Now show us what you buiild on plantes. Example not enought naval cap? Why don't you build a fortress on each planet for example? Idk achieving 2k naval cap is not difficult.

I gave a screenshot mind you this one is fine endgame, but i wont/cant win. They are all united cuz of the war with the sleeping giants.

[Jin Shepard]

Originally posted by DYNIA:

Originally posted by Jin Shepard:

Hmm https://imgur.com/a/E8sM0Ma In this pic you can see that i got my economy in order ( Dyson Sphere coming online after the pic ) but my fleet capacity is to low, far to low in order to do anything about any neighbor. It doesn't help they constantly get themselves into subjects so quick, sometimes feels to quick. I wonder if i might expand to quickly for robots to shine.



Pro response mate, really constructive feedback! idiot.

you can call your mom idiot cause "he" xD born you , you are ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ noob so stfu and learn to play

haha you peeps make me laugh so hard. Here you are on the forums, going to stellaris, read a thread, then reply like this, twice, and i wonder, did you even thought in all of those actions,'' you know what, might not be the smartest idea to post something that just shows how little i am. ''

Anyway As you see in my screenshot I almost got it done. Next step is to be more aggressive and conquer more worlds so i gain more energy form bio pops.

[Blunder Bro]

Play as Driven Assimilator machine-intelligence. I've never had so much fleet power this early on. I capped out so frequently on influence that I proposed subjugation, built a dozen habitats, and made alloy prices lower than food. I managed to control directly or via subjects 1/3rd of the galaxy in 70 years, which is a first. Machine empire was hard to learn at first, but is surprisingly good once you get the hang of it.

I started with a shattered ring world for roleplay purposes, and you just have to go energy production early on, mix some food production when needed if have cyborg pops, and build up your pop whilst balancing your mineral to alloy income. I tend to go energy and mineral production first over alloys, as my first try I had alloys but no minerals to build the production I needed. Don't spam districts until you need them and can afford to run them empty. Utilise your fearless and durable robotic forms to crush the morale of enemy armies and live where they cannot! You are superior to the meatsacks, use that to blow flaming burps in the faces!

You don't have to go assimilator, but it helps as you can grow your empire more by taking everyone else's pop and turning them into versatile borg drones. Why spend time and resources to create new pops when you can just take from someone else? Down side is they flood your leader pool with non-immortals and they can't live anywhere like robots can. But you can always colonise with robots, and eventually you get a diverse enough cyborg population that at least 1 of the species can colonise what another can't. After 100 years I start to terraform and genetically engineer everyone to be compatible and fill job roles, so habitability and diversely inefficient designs become minor issues after a while.

Just keep trying, try to realise what worked and didn't and you'll get the hang of it. Play with less enemies or easier AI to get used to it. I failed a few times before I did a machine empire that didn't collapse immediately.

Good luck, hope that helped :)

[Jin Shepard]

Originally posted by Blunder Bro:

Play as Driven Assimilator machine-intelligence. I've never had so much fleet power this early on. I capped out so frequently on influence that I proposed subjugation, built a dozen habitats, and made alloy prices lower than food. I managed to control directly or via subjects 1/3rd of the galaxy in 70 years, which is a first. Machine empire was hard to learn at first, but is surprisingly good once you get the hang of it.

I started with a shattered ring world for roleplay purposes, and you just have to go energy production early on, mix some food production when needed if have cyborg pops, and build up your pop whilst balancing your mineral to alloy income. I tend to go energy and mineral production first over alloys, as my first try I had alloys but no minerals to build the production I needed. Don't spam districts until you need them and can afford to run them empty. Utilise your fearless and durable robotic forms to crush the morale of enemy armies and live where they cannot! You are superior to the meatsacks, use that to blow flaming burps in the faces!

You don't have to go assimilator, but it helps as you can grow your empire more by taking everyone else's pop and turning them into versatile borg drones. Why spend time and resources to create new pops when you can just take from someone else? Down side is they flood your leader pool with non-immortals and they can't live anywhere like robots can. But you can always colonise with robots, and eventually you get a diverse enough cyborg population that at least 1 of the species can colonise what another can't. After 100 years I start to terraform and genetically engineer everyone to be compatible and fill job roles, so habitability and diversely inefficient designs become minor issues after a while.

Just keep trying, try to realise what worked and didn't and you'll get the hang of it. Play with less enemies or easier AI to get used to it. I failed a few times before I did a machine empire that didn't collapse immediately.

Good luck, hope that helped :)

Iam getting better at it, Only fleet power/naval cap is still a thing. I do think i tend to expand WAY to quick.. and cause myself to have a horrible inbalance. This run iam doing now iam getting quite strong. THere is ONE odd thing i have noticed, and thats orbital stations, I wanna make one but it says that i already have a mega structure there. Thing is.. only thing there is the planet and a station or two.

https://steamcommunity.com/profiles/76561198007048214/screenshot/2011468272868476305/

https://steamcommunity.com/profiles/76561198007048214/screenshot/2011468272868492951/

Ignore the lower left, iam having a large queue atm of stations so that after that i can make the Hyper relays