Awful performance on a high end PC

[asapas]

As the title says, I have RX 6900XT, Ryzen 5950X, and I have installed some mods (the main ones mainly and some others). When game starts, and I try to change game speed, it takes one minute just to change speed. And then when I am zooming in or try to play with the camera, it freezes and then stays there, saying the game is not responding.

I will now try to play without custom galaxy sizes to see if this is the case, however I really cannot understand why this game freezes so easily.

If anyone knows what setting to change, so that I can play normally in my otherwise beast of a system, please let me know

[asapas]

Ok, after disabling the custom galaxy size mod and tried the highest possible one ( I think with 1000 stars) it works normally. So, we cannot play with a higher number of stars without the game freezing or not responding??? Even if we have a beast of a system?

[Cutiegorgon]

As far as I know this game uses only a single CPU thread due to old game engine. I suggest you use Stellar Stellaris mod and play on 400-600 size galaxy with 2350 victory year or so.

[HappySack]

Ironically, the higher end the system the less able it is to run Stellaris as described above so you'd best wait for Stellaris 2.

[Mikoshi]

Stellaris is gated by single thread performance, the consequence of this, is that MOST modern processors are designed around multi-thread performance. The 5950 has a 3470 score on the single thread benchmark I'm looking at, which is toward the lower end of the list.

For comparison, the highest single thread score that is a ryzen, is a ryzen 9 7900x at 4326, and the highest intel is an I9-13900KS at 4790. I'm team red, but AMD has always been bad at a single thread performance.

[Elitewrecker PT]

Originally posted by HappySack:

Ironically, the higher end the system the less able it is to run Stellaris as described above so you'd best wait for Stellaris 2.

I suppose there might be a sweet spot on the new-vs-old but my new 13900kf is a lot better than my old i5-3570

[Cookie Monster]

Originally posted by Elitewrecker PT:

Originally posted by HappySack:

Ironically, the higher end the system the less able it is to run Stellaris as described above so you'd best wait for Stellaris 2.

I suppose there might be a sweet spot on the new-vs-old but my new 13900kf is a lot better than my old i5-3570

That guy above you has no idea what he's talking about. A newer or higher end CPU gives massively better performance. I went from a 8700K to a 5800X3D and my late game performance improved by a massive 50%. This is despite my overclocked 8700K having more ghz than my 5800X3D. That advantage is even more pronounced on a 13900K or 7800X3D. Newer CPU is basically always better at single thread. Too many people are stupid and don't realize that GHZ is not the main indicator of how fast a CPU is. There are so many other generational improvements that make them better. The argument doesn't even make sense. If you look at any single threaded benchmark you can see clearly that it's all high end modern CPUs. Other things like cache matter too which is why the Ryzen 7000 series slightly outperforms Intel in PDX games.

tl;dr - newer is basically always better and it's better by a lot. anyone who says otherwise doesn't know what they're talking about and should stay in their lane.

[Cookie Monster]

Originally posted by Mikoshi:

Stellaris is gated by single thread performance, the consequence of this, is that MOST modern processors are designed around multi-thread performance. The 5950 has a 3470 score on the single thread benchmark I'm looking at, which is toward the lower end of the list.

For comparison, the highest single thread score that is a ryzen, is a ryzen 9 7900x at 4326, and the highest intel is an I9-13900KS at 4790. I'm team red, but AMD has always been bad at a single thread performance.

This isn't really correct for PDX games. The Ryzen 7000 series CPUs are the best performing CPUs in PDX games. This is backed up by videos, benchmark tests on the forums, etc. A 7800X3D will outperform a 13900K in a PDX game due to a variety of factors. The 13900K is close but it's still slightly behind despite having better single thread performance on paper.

Newer processors are faster than old ones and they get faster with every generation. I have no idea where this myth that new CPUs aren't fast in single threaded performance comes from. It's simply not true. Single thread performance is the best it has ever been in modern high end CPUs. A CPU from 2023 will destroy a CPU from 2018 in single threaded performance easily.

[Pieshaman]

I run it on a 5900x and it goes smooth as butter. I never had lag in over 2000 hours
have all dlc but not use any mod. maybe it's your mod.

[HappySack]

Jeez, where were the lobbyists like you when there were bigger threads complaining about performance despite having high-end systems.

[dtellezjr]

My Commodore 64 runs Stellaris better than a modern CPU. Since the C64 can run only one thread, it is better in single-threaded performance.

[asapas]

@Pieshaman I think it has to do with the map sizes, not the mods

[Half Phased]

Originally posted by asapas:

@Pieshaman I think it has to do with the map sizes, not the mods

Without knowing what mod you were using or what size galaxy you were playing on, the mod itself being to blame is the safest guess.

If you were trying to play 10,000+ stars with 50-60+ empires with advanced starts, then thats user error.

[Eldi]

Originally posted by Elitewrecker PT:

Originally posted by HappySack:

Ironically, the higher end the system the less able it is to run Stellaris as described above so you'd best wait for Stellaris 2.

I suppose there might be a sweet spot on the new-vs-old but my new 13900kf is a lot better than my old i5-3570

Juicy IPC upgrade. (And serious Hz!)

[Geoff]

Originally posted by Skull Merchant=Give Up:

Originally posted by Elitewrecker PT:

I suppose there might be a sweet spot on the new-vs-old but my new 13900kf is a lot better than my old i5-3570

That guy above you has no idea what he's talking about. A newer or higher end CPU gives massively better performance. I went from a 8700K to a 5800X3D and my late game performance improved by a massive 50%. This is despite my overclocked 8700K having more ghz than my 5800X3D. That advantage is even more pronounced on a 13900K or 7800X3D. Newer CPU is basically always better at single thread. Too many people are stupid and don't realize that GHZ is not the main indicator of how fast a CPU is. There are so many other generational improvements that make them better. The argument doesn't even make sense. If you look at any single threaded benchmark you can see clearly that it's all high end modern CPUs. Other things like cache matter too which is why the Ryzen 7000 series slightly outperforms Intel in PDX games.

tl;dr - newer is basically always better and it's better by a lot. anyone who says otherwise doesn't know what they're talking about and should stay in their lane.

I have a pretty new setup and really haven't had most of the performance issues people complain about. I'm finally getting the stutters on a 1000 galaxy map in the 2900s. The autosave is a clear stutter point, and in the late game whenever it has to redraw the map, Turn of the month is just starting to creak a bit. But I made the mistake of setting planets to 5x at the outset thinking I'd be "playing tall" as a bad guy. It seems like most of people's issues are kind of a mix between suboptimal hardware configs and suboptimal design. But overall the game still runs pretty smoothly most of the time and can handle the mega fleet mashes of the late game without stuttering. So I think folks are right that there's something going on with the pop allocation calculator that causes it to scale exponentially past a certain point.

[iFrame]

Originally posted by Skull Merchant=Give Up:

Originally posted by Elitewrecker PT:

I suppose there might be a sweet spot on the new-vs-old but my new 13900kf is a lot better than my old i5-3570

That guy above you has no idea what he's talking about. A newer or higher end CPU gives massively better performance. I went from a 8700K to a 5800X3D and my late game performance improved by a massive 50%. This is despite my overclocked 8700K having more ghz than my 5800X3D. That advantage is even more pronounced on a 13900K or 7800X3D. Newer CPU is basically always better at single thread. Too many people are stupid and don't realize that GHZ is not the main indicator of how fast a CPU is. There are so many other generational improvements that make them better. The argument doesn't even make sense. If you look at any single threaded benchmark you can see clearly that it's all high end modern CPUs. Other things like cache matter too which is why the Ryzen 7000 series slightly outperforms Intel in PDX games.

tl;dr - newer is basically always better and it's better by a lot. anyone who says otherwise doesn't know what they're talking about and should stay in their lane.

Does a 7600X offer a significant boost over a 5800X3D?
I'm planning to upgrade from my 3600X to a 5800X3D however i've gotten recommendations to go for 7600X instead but that means it'll cost me twice as much since i'll need new mobo and rams. 7800X3D is out of the picture though since i'll have to stretch the budget too much.