Citadel Issue

[Tardus Coegi]

Ok so star bases are buggy. Now... I have Zero Point Reactor (Rank V Reactor) With Rank V shields, and weapons.

Now. I realized my Citadel STOCK runs out of energy and the last 4 Shields are only rank IV.

Here's the issue, since I ran out of energy already, if I spec into weapons modules (Guns, Missiles, or Hangar bay). Nothing happens.

AKA

I buy the modules, but since I have no energy, those slots are empty.

DA FUQ IS WRONG!? Are there better Reactors than rank V now? Da Fuq. *sigh*

Any way to get more energy, or did the creators mess up BIG time?

[Cave Yeti Supreme]

No, the devs didn't screw up, you have a finite budget of available power (this is also true for ships). Use some of the those slots for armor; it's up to you to find the right balance based on need and available tech.

The only way to get more power is through mods, or fallen empire tech (dark matter reactors).

Unless you're talking about being out of energy credits, in which case yeah that's weird, but it shouldn't depopulate the slots, it should just halve (I think) the fleet power of the station and your ships.

[Tardus Coegi]

You cannot Customize Stock Citadels. STOCK Citadels with MAX reactor and Rank V Shields and Rank V weapons STOCK, Depleted Citadel power level to Zero.

You cannot budget Power available because the game rolls them themselves. Leftover power can be directed into Modules and Weapon Slots.

HOWEVER, you literally run out of power for the station before you can mess around with costumizing your Citadels.

Make sense?

Basically create a new save file, Get Rank V reactors, Shields, 'A' slot and weapons.

Then just upgrade a starbase to a Citadel and you'll notice the last couple of slots for shields will always be rank IV's, and when you tech into any weapon modules, they will always be empty because you already ran out of Power (energy).

[Razor Feather]

There is actually a better reactor, the dark matter reactors used by FEs, which you can use yourself after destroying some of their ships and doing salvage, along with tier 6 shields and thrusters.

[Cryten]

Will be interesting to test but I thought weapon modules on starbases had their own power sources.

[Tardus Coegi]

Originally posted by Cryten:

Will be interesting to test but I thought weapon modules on starbases had their own power sources.

Sadly no.

However it doesn't even matter on weapon modules cause you run outa Reactor Energy stock.

Last 3 Shields will always be rank IV if you have rank V Shields, Reactor, Energy weapon, Missile Weapon, and Projectile Weapons.

Second to last rank starbase is fine. Citadels are currently broken though. :/

[Tardus Coegi]

Here's a stock Citadel-

Core Components:
Zero Point Reactor: 3,200 Power Generation (PG)
Tachyon Sensors (Rank IV): 20 Power Usage (PU)
- Other Core Components do NOT use (PU)
Total (PG): 3200
Total (PU): 20

Armaments:
Marauder Missiles: 26 (PU)
Number: 1
Total (PU): 26

Medium Gamma Lasers (RANK V): 30 (PU)
Number: 7
Total (PU): 210

Medium Gauss Cannon (RANK V): 30 (PU)
Number: 5
Total (PU): 150

Utilities:
Large Hyper Shields (RANK V): 180 (PU)
Number: 13
Total (PU): 2340

Large Advanced Shields (RANK IV): 140 (PU)
Number: 3
Total (PU): 420

Shield Capacitor (A): 20 (PU)
Number: 1
Total (PU): 20

Large Neutronium Armor (RANK V): 0 (PU)
Number: 10
Total (PU): 0

Equation:
20+ 26+210+150+2340+420+20+0
or
(20+26)+(210+150)+(2340+420)+(20+0)
or
46+370+2760+20
or
(46+370)+(2760+20)
or
416+2780=3196 Power Usage

3200 Total Power Generation
3196 Total Power Usage

You cannot even achieve MAX rank V Shields and weapons on a STOCK Citadel.

Weapon Modules tap into Power Generation.

With only 4 Power Generation available, you cannot use any weapon modules. GG.

Defensive Platforms 'DO' have there own Power generation so you're safe there (no brainer).

[Cryten]

Ive ran my experiment with an old game. I never use mods for context.

Stage 1: Star Fortress with all modules.
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2067664620

Stage 2: Star Fortress with modules removed.
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2067664655

Stage 3: Citadel with no modules.
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2067664695

Stage 4: Citadel with all modules.
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2067664729

Modules did add weapons to the citadel. The last module appeared to add 3 empty weapon slots. This might be the point I ran out of energy as I was researching missiles along the way of converting the starbase. But at the very least I seem to have been able to support for more systems then you did.

[Tardus Coegi]

Small tweak but doesn't really mess with Power Usage (PU) that much. But I had rank V Missiles, you have the rank III version. (G) Slot for weapons.

Also, scroll down on your Utilities. You have lower rank shields than I do. 3 Rank IV's and 13 Rank V's Where you show you have at least 12 Rank V's and 4 unknown shield slots.

If you use weapon modules it tweaks your other slots depending on the order you upgrade the star base.

AKA, upgrade max weapons and shields to rank V, upgrade to citadel, look at everything, THEN buy some weapon modules.

We'll have the same stats as long as you upgrade to RANK V fully and upgrade to a completely empty Citadel.

[Cryten]

tbh I normally skip research missiles in their entirity in runs because they are so underpowered compared to line weaponry.

[Tardus Coegi]

Agreed

[adobo]

So if I understand this right, the Citadel can't support all 6 weapon slots? how may can it support?

[Cryten]

14 type V shields and 12 Type V armour.

[Cryten]

It looks like you can support 5 weapon modules with type 3 missiles or 4 modules with type 5 missiles.

[Tardus Coegi]

Originally posted by majikero:

So if I understand this right, the Citadel can't support all 6 weapon slots? how may can it support?

The Citadel can support some weapons systems if you upgrade the starbase as you go along. But you'll have weaker shields and lower rank weapons systems.

However if you just use a stock Citadel with no weapon system modules. No you can't use the 6 weapon slots because you're already out of power.

So you either go with more weapons, but weaker rank, or go with Rank V weapons with near MAX rank V shields.

How do you fix this?

It's clearly a bug, DEVS messed up with the Zero Point Reactor Power Generation.

It should be like 4000 power instead of 3200

[Tardus Coegi]

also, I haven't used mods yet. And I own every expansion pack so I'm up to date.