Why are spiritual races opposed to AI rights?

[Lucidnonsense]

Isnt being an AI less materialistic than being a fleshling? I'm sure plenty of religions such as buddhism would embrace artificial intelligence. Perhaps if a race has xenophilia and spiritualism they will not oppose the rights of AIs as they are fellow spirits.

[Rhudda]

Cause AI has no soul, perhaps.

Why would being an AI be less materialistic? Materialism is the conviction that there are no supernatural or paranormal things. Everything has a natural explanation (i.e. one rooted in the material world).

[Kitten Food]

Uh, well if it is any reflection on real life 'spiritualists'...they have a tendency to oppose rights on anything that doesn't conform to their dogma.

Just sayin.

[Lucidnonsense]

Originally posted by Unwerth:

Cause AI has no soul, perhaps.

Why would being an AI be less materialistic? Materialism is the conviction that there are no supernatural or paranormal things. Everything has a natural explanation (i.e. one rooted in the material world).

More mind rather than body, sure an AI has a body but is less tied down to it the way fleshlings are. and would an AI civilization that shuns material existence but focus resources on obtaining enlightenment be considered materialistic?

[Jiro]

"Materialist" in game are the ones most likely to get the AI tech early. Plus they don't believe that intelligence can exist without a "soul" or they are scared that letting AI become truely intelligent will disprove their own beliefs.

[DANK_HYDROPONICS]

Originally posted by Time Turner:

Originally posted by Unwerth:

Cause AI has no soul, perhaps.

Why would being an AI be less materialistic? Materialism is the conviction that there are no supernatural or paranormal things. Everything has a natural explanation (i.e. one rooted in the material world).

More mind rather than body, sure an AI has a body but is less tied down to it the way fleshlings are. and would an AI civilization that shuns material existence but focus resources on obtaining enlightenment be considered materialistic?

A sentient AI would be proof that a mind can be made from matter, and that a soul is not necessary for sentience.

[Astasia]

Don't you have it backwards? Spiritualists want AI rights, and get a negative happiness if you have them on subservient or whatever it's called. Materialist ethos can't even give AIs rights, it's disabled, because to them they are just tools.

[Jiro]

Originally posted by Astasia:

Don't you have it backwards? Spiritualists want AI rights, and get a negative happiness if you have them on subservient or whatever it's called. Materialist ethos can't even give AIs rights, it's disabled, because to them they are just tools.

I am fairly sure materialists can give rights. that sounds more like a collectivist vs individualist and xenophobe vs xenophile that determines slavery. not spirituality

[Lucidnonsense]

Originally posted by Capitalist Pig:

Originally posted by Time Turner:

More mind rather than body, sure an AI has a body but is less tied down to it the way fleshlings are. and would an AI civilization that shuns material existence but focus resources on obtaining enlightenment be considered materialistic?

A sentient AI would be proof that a mind can be made from matter, and that a soul is not necessary for sentience.

But can the matter be like a beacon for the soul? the soul is an emergent property.

[Jiro]

Originally posted by Time Turner:

Originally posted by Capitalist Pig:

A sentient AI would be proof that a mind can be made from matter, and that a soul is not necessary for sentience.

But can the matter be like a beacon for the soul? the soul is an emergent property.

The soul = "An emergent property is a property which a collection or complex system has, but which the individual members do not have." ??

[Astasia]

Originally posted by HiroAnimation:

Originally posted by Astasia:

Don't you have it backwards? Spiritualists want AI rights, and get a negative happiness if you have them on subservient or whatever it's called. Materialist ethos can't even give AIs rights, it's disabled, because to them they are just tools.

I am fairly sure materialists can give rights. that sounds more like a collectivist vs individualist and xenophobe vs xenophile that determines slavery. not spirituality

I played a fanatic materialist individualist game and I could not give AIs rights, subservient was the only option. I had an event that caused a bunch of my pops to gain spiritualist and they were all unhappy that my AIs were on subservient.

It's not a slavery thing, AIs are on a different spectrum, and I'm fairly sure it's the spiritualist/materialistic line. Materialists see them as objects, tools, and think nothing of them. Spiritualists see them as "people" with a soul or some such. That is the impression I got from my game.

[Fleshhunter]

Originally posted by Astasia:

Originally posted by HiroAnimation:

I am fairly sure materialists can give rights. that sounds more like a collectivist vs individualist and xenophobe vs xenophile that determines slavery. not spirituality

I played a fanatic materialist individualist game and I could not give AIs rights, subservient was the only option. I had an event that caused a bunch of my pops to gain spiritualist and they were all unhappy that my AIs were on subservient.

It's not a slavery thing, AIs are on a different spectrum, and I'm fairly sure it's the spiritualist/materialistic line. Materialists see them as objects, tools, and think nothing of them. Spiritualists see them as "people" with a soul or some such. That is the impression I got from my game.

Uh no...Their is an option to give them equal rights AFTER you research the third robot tech...Spritualist hate AI regardless

[grommile]

Originally posted by Astasia:

Don't you have it backwards? Spiritualists want AI rights, and get a negative happiness if you have them on subservient or whatever it's called. Materialist ethos can't even give AIs rights, it's disabled, because to them they are just tools.

Ahem.

Materialists can give AI rights with no trouble at all (one mind is just like another; they're all just perturbations of the internal state of a lump of matter), unless they are also Xenophobes (because Xenophobes hate giving rights to anyone who isn't a member of their own race).

Spiritualists get a penalty if they grant any AI Rights at all (rather than Outlawing AI), because Spiritualism in the game implies a belief that true consciousness arises from a nonphysical soul which cannot be imbued into base matter by mere mortals.

[grommile]

Originally posted by DuX1112:

I encountered no such dogma in the game, and I played a Spiritualist race. Maybe *SOME* Spiritual people believe that, but not all, and I didn't see in the game. Might be mistaken though.

Flavour text for Fanatical Spiritualist:

"Our science has proved that Consciousness begets reality. We regard with patience the childlike efforts of those who delude themselves it is the other way around, as they play with their blocks of 'hard matter'."

[Jiro]

Originally posted by Fleshhunter:

Originally posted by Astasia:

I played a fanatic materialist individualist game and I could not give AIs rights, subservient was the only option. I had an event that caused a bunch of my pops to gain spiritualist and they were all unhappy that my AIs were on subservient.

It's not a slavery thing, AIs are on a different spectrum, and I'm fairly sure it's the spiritualist/materialistic line. Materialists see them as objects, tools, and think nothing of them. Spiritualists see them as "people" with a soul or some such. That is the impression I got from my game.

Uh no...Their is an option to give them equal rights AFTER you research the third robot tech...Spritualist hate AI regardless

Thanks for the info.

[Jiro]

Originally posted by DuX1112:

Originally posted by Fleshhunter:

Uh no...Their is an option to give them equal rights AFTER you research the third robot tech...Spritualist hate AI regardless

I played Spiritualist and I had robots which were basically treated as usual Pops. I also happen to be "spiritual" and have nothing against AIs, lol. :D Who's to say consciousness can't take a seat in a silicon based body, contrary to us carbon based lifeforms? As if we're not all star dust. *dun dun duuun*

Perhaps you believe the soul is just an idea than a reality. It seems weird that someone would believe in souls and also believe things without souls are also good. But you were specifically saying consciousness which relates to the brain.