Primitive Races

[Michelin Man]

I'm not really clear on the mechanics of the game, but I know that there are two different types of primitives, non-sentients and sentients. I just want to know what your guys plans are for them. Would you try uplifting them to aid you? Or will you go kick them off their own planet and make it a parking lot.
As for me, I'd imagine if I uplifted a race it'd probably end the same way when the Salarians from Mass Effect uplifted the Krogan.

[clarky]

I was thinking of enslaving a primitive nomadic warrior race and turning them into my main warrior class so my great people don't have to die in battle.

[Apeironic_Entelechy]

For pre-sapient species I'll uplift them, for pre-FTL sapient species I'll infiltrate their society and prepare them to join my glorious collective.

[Fleshhunter]

Originally posted by Fourthspartan56:

For pre-sapient species I'll uplift them, for pre-FTL sapient species I'll infiltrate their society and prepare them to join my glorious collective.

Study them if pre-pre infiltrate

[hellbiter88]

I'd purge the Krogan, tbh. The Genophage was kind.

Anyway I'll personally be uplifting any and all primitive species, when possible. Baby needs vassals.

[crvforever]

i will "help" them by adding them to my empire and then change their genes so they become the perfect slave race.

[Zubenelgenubi]

Originally posted by Tyranicus Gladius:

non-sentients and sentients.

That's a poor choice of words with how scientists are now accepting animals and even insects are sentient. If i gather enough scientific papers do you think they'd change it?

[Fleshhunter]

Originally posted by Zubenelgenubi:

Originally posted by Tyranicus Gladius:

non-sentients and sentients.

That's a poor choice of words with how scientists are now accepting most animals and even insects are sentient.

It is the way they are put in game(Yes a lot of life is sentient)

[Tom]

I don't want to deal with the hassle of slaves, or putting all that effort into lifting them up only for them to be peaceful types because it's their nature.

Purge and replace.

[Apeironic_Entelechy]

Originally posted by Zubenelgenubi:

Originally posted by Tyranicus Gladius:

non-sentients and sentients.

That's a poor choice of words with how scientists are now accepting animals and even insects are sentient. If i gather enough scientific papers do you think they'd change it?

They mean sapient, they're just using the standard sci-fi mistake of having sentient mean self-aware or intelligent.

[Fleshhunter]

Also if you invade...Everyone dislikes you and the pops will worth less and less depending on what era they were in(Bronze age is Uplift/Study/Purify)

[Zubenelgenubi]

Originally posted by Fourthspartan56:

They mean sapient, they're just using the standard sci-fi mistake of having sentient mean self-aware or intelligent.

But that's what it actually means, and it applies to animals and insects now. Quote from this article sums it up. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-1228661/Insects-consciousness-able-count-claim-experts.html

However, contrary to popular belief, we can't say that brain size predicts their capacity for intelligent behaviour.

'In bigger brains we often don't find more complexity, just an endless repetition of the same neural circuits over and over.

'This might add detail to remembered images or sounds, but not add any degree of complexity. To use a computer analogy, bigger brains might in many cases be bigger hard drives, not necessarily better processors.

[Fleshhunter]

Sentient means able to perceive or feel thing which makes sense for only one race not being sentient...Robots...But again it is called pre-sentient in game

[Apeironic_Entelechy]

Originally posted by Fleshhunter:

Sentient means able to perceive or feel thing which makes sense for only one race not being sentient...Robots...But again it is called pre-sentient in game

Except no, insects are sentient. Sapient is higher thought and general "intelligence". So they would be sentient species who are uplifted and turned into Sapient species.

[Zubenelgenubi]

One more article talking about how insects are egocentric, which can be interpreted as self awareness. http://news.discovery.com/animals/insects/insects-have-consciousness-self-awareness-and-egos-160418.htm

I don't mean to cause trouble, but i think Paradox would like it to be scientifically accurate also. Unless they use non-sentient to mean plant life. I'm not even sure how it will be handled in game and may be misunderstanding something.

[Michelin Man]

When did this discussion change to a discussion on whether or not insects are sentient?