Stellaris becoming rock, paper, scissors. Yay for making this into a fish rts.

[Sick Puppy]

Hey so the new patch is going to now make so that ships have roles. Basically it will simplify the game by an imense ammount and to win all you really need to do is rock, paper, scissors and win. Anyone else upset with this?

I would of liked better weapons and utilities for ships. Like maybe a short range jump weapon for battleships to teleport short range corvettes into the enemy fleet or weapon disruption effects where it would drain the ships so their power system wouldn't work anymore. Maybe for boarding? But you know most players can't think outside the box so adding roles for idio- erm I mean other players to follow seems so much more easier.

[Jimmy McGill]

Yeah I hate how they stopped making all-battleship/all-destroyer for fast strike forces optimal and made the game require fleet compositions.

[Phun]

Darn, now there are emergent counters in Stellaris. The game has been dumbed down ! ! !

[Apeironic_Entelechy]

That's silly OP, because even if it is just rock paper sissors (which it probably won't be) that still is better than the current metagame of rock rock rock.

[Chocomoto]

Oh no, now instead of one ship class fleets I'll be forced to diversify my fleetcomp! The true horror!

[Cyber_Wizard]

Really? I always make diffrent ship types in my fleet. Like missle boats and what knot.

[GC13]

Цитата допису Phun:

Darn, now there are emergent counters in Stellaris. The game has been dumbed down ! ! !

Does "emergent" mean something different in this context than I'm used to? Usually when I hear people talking about emergent stuff I'm used to it organically emerging from what's already there, not being planned out and implemented very carefully so each thing has its niche.

[Apeironic_Entelechy]

Цитата допису GC13:

Цитата допису Phun:

Darn, now there are emergent counters in Stellaris. The game has been dumbed down ! ! !

Does "emergent" mean something different in this context than I'm used to? Usually when I hear people talking about emergent stuff I'm used to it organically emerging from what's already there, not being planned out and implemented very carefully so each thing has its niche.

You're correct that emergent does not apply here.

Цитата допису Shrek the conqueror:

Really? I always make diffrent ship types in my fleet. Like missle boats and what knot.

Cool, but right now you don't really need to. Thankfully Heinlein seems to be changing that.

[Sick Puppy]

So I do all this research and at the end of the day a really high tech battleship can still die to corvettes now. Yay. Let me just swap everything to militeristic and spam corvettes. Send enough of them at anything and they will kill it.

[Exarch_Alpha]

The post in the official pathc isn´t THAT official yet and frankly, some change to balance is needed. Biggest fleet with tachyon lances is kinda of a ♥♥♥♥♥♥ metagame.

[Othobrithol]

Цитата допису Horny Bull:

So I do all this research and at the end of the day a really high tech battleship can still die to corvettes now. Yay. Let me just swap everything to militeristic and spam corvettes. Send enough of them at anything and they will kill it.

Send enough of anything and you can kill; the question is can you win a war while suffering 3x the casualties the enemy is suffering from your ineffective composition? It looks as if corvette spam is going to be shredded by a robust deployment of destroyers.

[Miro Laaksonen]

It's rock paper scissors only if you have a fleet of only one type of ship and your opponent also has a fleet of only one type of ship. Why would that ever be the case? The whole point is that you need to have a diverse fleet again in order to counter that from happening.

[Delta Prime]

Screw this, change it back to the way it was! We should choose what to do with our ships.

[[Q]uik]

This patch will make the combat actually fun.
It was meant to be rock paper scissors from the get go - but they ♥♥♥♥♥♥ it up. Hopefully this will make all ship types necessary

[Apeironic_Entelechy]

Цитата допису Alpha Omega:

Screw this, change it back to the way it was! We should choose what to do with our ships.

God no, with Heinlein we'll have to use a diverse fleet setup instead of mass Battleships. If you really don't want it then just don't update.

Цитата допису Quik:

This patch will make the combat actually fun.
It was meant to be rock paper scissors from the get go - but they ♥♥♥♥♥♥ it up. Hopefully this will make all ship types necessary

Exactly.

[Lulu]

I'm very happy with this, that mean you'll have to get a fleet with variety, not spamming corvettes or battleships to go trough everything, combat will finally became really fun. And since fleet will have variety, the fact that is rock paper scissors will not matter, because you'd be dumb to play only rock.