protectorate declared war on neighbouring empire all willy nilly without using his brainbox.

[Atlas]

a protectorate of mine declared war on a neighbouring empire without involving me. what happens when my protectorate loses? will my neighbour just eat him up without me having any say in it? can i join his war or do i just declare my own? (my protectorate is about as strong as wet toilet paper so he'll definately lose)

[Dray Prescot]

Can you give ships/fleets to your protectorate to help them fight against the Race that you can not fight (now)?

The Stellaris program ought to give you the ability to protect your protectorates. Can you establish a defensive Diplomatic agreement with them?

[OwnGoal99]

No and no as far as I can tell.

[DarkExcalibur42]

Messaggio originale di Dray Prescot:

The Stellaris program ought to give you the ability to protect your protectorates. Can you establish a defensive Diplomatic agreement with them?

When you take a protectorate, you take a defensive agreement with them. You cannot have a protectorate without one. But that means you aid them in DEFENSIVE wars. You do not join them in offensive wars.

[DarkExcalibur42]

I want the ability to negotiate peace on behalf of another civilization. Like offer one empire 10k minerals to increase their opponent's war score, or be able to bribe someone into a white peace.

[Dray Prescot]

What would help solve the problem would be if your Protectorates were included in the same peace treaties and cooling off periods as your Race. Then they could not get into wars that you are excluded from.

[OwnGoal99]

Messaggio originale di DarkExcalibur42:

Messaggio originale di Dray Prescot:

The Stellaris program ought to give you the ability to protect your protectorates. Can you establish a defensive Diplomatic agreement with them?

When you take a protectorate, you take a defensive agreement with them. You cannot have a protectorate without one. But that means you aid them in DEFENSIVE wars. You do not join them in offensive wars.

Once again, this makes no sense. Would Puerto Rico ever go to war with Jamiaca without getting the go ahead from the USA?

[Dray Prescot]

If you can not go to war with a particular Race beacause of a recent peace Treaty, why is it possible for your Protectorates since they should have been involved in the same war and "ought" to be bound be the same peace treaty (but apparently are NOT).

[DarkExcalibur42]

No, your protectorates do not join your offensive wars. That's why they don't have the same cooldown.

[OwnGoal99]

Only Vassals and Allies go to war with you automatically. Protectorates do not.

[Dray Prescot]

OK, then try to make sure your Protectorates are totallly surrounded by your territory making it hard for them to get to their potential Enemies and vice versa (although not impossible,sadly enough).

The other solution, do not go to war and then get Peace Treaties with Races that are close enough to your Protectorates that the Proctectorates will declare war on them; or leave those enemies so weak when you make the your Peace Treaty that it will take them a long time, hopefully longer than the cool down time ( 10 years ?) of the Peace Treaty, to be a military threat to your protectorates.

Maybe after the other Alien Race conquers your Protectorate, when your Peace Treaty expires, you can go back to war with that Race and get back those ex Protectorate systems as your Vassal (or annex them completely) in the new Peace Settlement instead being in a Protectorate. It is an akward way of turning a Protectorate into a Vassal but it should work, and it might be Faster than waiting for the Protectorate to do enough research to reach the 40% of your Techs. Plus it won't be causing those problems anymore, and now you can integrate the Vassal eventually. Or if they became a Vassal of that Race you can force him to relaease them, and eventually conquer/vassalie them later.