Can never get Casus Belli for subjugation

[Durandal]

I have the domination traditions, I demanded vassalization, they refused, and I still cannot declare war to force them to submit

[annaliseh]

How about making claims on their systems? after which you can declare war and invade. But if you have got a Colossus there should be no problem the excuse would be total war.

[Durandal]

Originally posted by annaliseh:

How about making claims on their systems? after which you can declare war and invade. But if you have got a Colossus there should be no problem the excuse would be total war.

Well that works fine, but I'm not trying to conquer him I'm trying to turn him into a vassal...

Thank you nonetheless

[BLAME! 40K]

Originally posted by NocturneOfSolace:

Originally posted by annaliseh:

How about making claims on their systems? after which you can declare war and invade. But if you have got a Colossus there should be no problem the excuse would be total war.

Well that works fine, but I'm not trying to conquer him I'm trying to turn him into a vassal...

Thank you nonetheless

Did you try to conquer him , and after you won the war you set vassalization as peace treaty?

[Durandal]

Originally posted by BLAME! 40k:

Originally posted by NocturneOfSolace:

Well that works fine, but I'm not trying to conquer him I'm trying to turn him into a vassal...

Thank you nonetheless

Did you try to conquer him , and after you won the war you set vassalization as peace treaty?

You can do that? I'll try that, but does that work even if his territory is too large to conquer in one go?

[GC13]

Originally posted by NocturneOfSolace:

Originally posted by BLAME! 40k:

Did you try to conquer him , and after you won the war you set vassalization as peace treaty?

You can do that? I'll try that, but does that work even if his territory is too large to conquer in one go?

You can only do that in 1.9.1 and earlier.

When you demand vassalization and they refuse, does it pop up saying you've got a new CB?

[Durandal]

Originally posted by GC13:

Originally posted by NocturneOfSolace:

You can do that? I'll try that, but does that work even if his territory is too large to conquer in one go?

You can only do that in 1.9.1 and earlier.

When you demand vassalization and they refuse, does it pop up saying you've got a new CB?

No :/

Does it matter that I'm a machine empire

[GC13]

No. The only thing that would disallow a Subjugation CB is if you had a total war CB on them, and since you can't use the action against the us-against-the-galaxy types in the first place you'd need the Colossus ascension perk to get one.

[Durandal]

Originally posted by GC13:

No. The only thing that would disallow a Subjugation CB is if you had a total war CB on them, and since you can't use the action against the us-against-the-galaxy types in the first place you'd need the Colossus ascension perk to get one.

Er...didn't have that, does just having the perk make it not work?

[galadon3]

afaik, you need to be superior in the power-comparison (so it has to be belowe "equal") and need to be neighbours (sharing a border) to get the subjugation CB. (Havent really tried it myself, somehow in my games the AIs tended to cuddle together in federations before I reached the point when I wanted to start wars.)

[Durandal]

Originally posted by galadon3:

afaik, you need to be superior in the power-comparison (so it has to be belowe "equal") and need to be neighbours (sharing a border) to get the subjugation CB. (Havent really tried it myself, somehow in my games the AIs tended to cuddle together in federations before I reached the point when I wanted to start wars.)

Does the game perhaps calculate if you are 'superior' or not based on the strength of other empires if the one you're bordering is in a federation?

[galadon3]

If you look up the other empire there is a power comparison between your empire and theirs. It can be "pathetic", "inferior", "equivalent", "superior" or "overwhelming". Its how their empire is in comparison to yours so for you to be at least superior to them, they need to be "inferior" or "pathetic".

[Durandal]

Originally posted by galadon3:

If you look up the other empire there is a power comparison between your empire and theirs. It can be "pathetic", "inferior", "equivalent", "superior" or "overwhelming". Its how their empire is in comparison to yours so for you to be at least superior to them, they need to be "inferior" or "pathetic".

I understand that, I meant that in terms of you being 'superior' would it calculate the fleet strength of the empires federation members as well in terms of being able to get the casus belli?

Say if the guy you want to vassalize is inferior to you, but some of his buddies are not, what would happen then?

[galadon3]

Uhh not even sure you CAN get a subjugation CB on fed-members. Might be you can but I actually never tried so can't say for sure, sry.

For the status it shows you in the diplo-window for that empire the game only takes the fleet-strength / nav-capacity and tech of the empire itself into account. (thats actually the three indicators the overall power-comparison is made up of, if you hoover over it a tooltip shows you the three seperate factors)