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Brady 7 ENE 2022 a las 22:48
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i know you need the tech, but this is a science question. How would anyone ever collect dark matter? dark matter isn't something you can collect. it's invisible and it can't interact with really anything. so how would this work?
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Ryika 8 ENE 2022 a las 9:59 
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I'm a physicist and simplified it for the sake of what I'm guessing are (mostly) laymen readers. What are your qualifications?
He watches videos on Youtube.
Xaphnir 8 ENE 2022 a las 10:00 
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This whole thing is just wrong. Ignore it all. Literally the whole thing is WRONG.

Edit: Dark Matter does not bend space. EMF (Electromagnetic frequency) includes magnetism and is not limited to light, certainly not to VISIBLE light on the spectrum. You are incorrectly confusing gravitational lensing (like how space appears distorted when we view a black hole) with dark energy (the expansion force of the universe). And it DOES NOT look like a magnifying glass, that is the STUPIDEST explanation I have ever heard, it shows us the BACK SIDE of the object, and it;s TOP and BOTTOM curved around a single point in space based on our relative viewing position. Don't EVER use Occam's Razor, are you a pseudo-scientific religious politician? And are you now saying you could "Mine" "dark energy" WTF are you even saying???? Do we MINE sunlight?

"its literally undetectable if I can't see it with visible light" how do you think we proved black holes, GENIUS?!?!?! Just... Go read a book or something, please.
I'm a physicist and simplified it for the sake of what I'm guessing are (mostly) laymen readers. What are your qualifications?

PS: Dark Energy isn't the same thing as Dark Matter.

Pretty sure he just watched a bunch of Kurzgesagt videos, understood like 1/10th of it, if that, and thinks he's an expert.

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Publicado originalmente por Xaphnir:

Yes it does the entire reason we even know it exists is because we can observe its gravitational influence on other bodies.

NO, it DOES NOT. MASS and GRAVITY bend space and DARK MATTER would have VERY DENSE mass and thus a strong gravitational force. DARK MATTER itself does not BEND SPACE. Did you see the link it took me 1.3 seconds to search engine and post PROVING ANTI MATTER IS NOT ONLY REAL, WE MAKE IT ALL THE TIME HERE ON EARTH AND HAVE FOR THE LAST 7 YEARS AT LEAST? HERE I WILL POST AGAIN. STOP ARGUING WITH ME AND EDUCATE YOURSELF INSTEAD. STOP TYPING AT ME AND TYPE IN A SEARCH ENGINE. ALL THIS IS FACT AND EASILY VERIFIED. GOD. FORGET BLACK HOLES AND DARK MATTER, YOUR HEAD IS THE DENSEST MATERIAL IN THE UNIVERSE! STOP ARGUING WITH ME AND TYPE INTO A SEARCH ENGINE INSTEAD MAYBE YOU CAN CURE YOUR IGNORANCE!!! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PCuyCJocJWg

Ok, you've got to be trolling. Or at least, I'm gonna give you the benefit of the doubt that that's what you're doing.
Última edición por Xaphnir; 8 ENE 2022 a las 10:02
Orion Invictus 8 ENE 2022 a las 10:01 
Publicado originalmente por Xaphnir:
Publicado originalmente por Orion Invictus:
Of course, that's incredibly simplistic and most likely wrong.

Especially given that one plausible candidate is primordial black holes.

I wouldn't even go that far, it's just that to assume we know everything about a substance we've never even studied directly is foolish and conceited.

It's like before QM became a thing, when some scientists started thinking that our understanding of physics was pretty much complete.
VïkådïN (Bloqueado) 8 ENE 2022 a las 10:17 
Publicado originalmente por Orion Invictus:
I'm a physicist and simplified it for the sake of what I'm guessing are (mostly) laymen readers. What are your qualifications?

PS: Dark Energy isn't the same thing as Dark Matter.
I'd like to avoid posting anything too specific that could be related to me personally, but I have over 200 peer citations for my work in my field. And while upon re-reading my comment, it was a messy, goofy, over-excited, incomplete, and at times misleading jumble of science fiction hopes and dreams extrapolated from my own understanding of the maths and existing theories and papers on the subjects at hand, I don't feel it's inaccurate.

I didn't (unless it was a typo, I did get rather hot headed when somebody kept misquoting me and arguing that anti-matter wasn't real) ever say dark energy was the same as dark matter. The closest I said was that I believed if we had an energy source equivalent to dark energy (or, we could call it 0 point energy because I am equating dark energy to the expansion force in the universe.) we could synthesise dark matter.

So my terms would be Dark energy = the force which is driving or accelerating the expansion of the universe. Could we agree on that?

And Dark matter = a hyper dense material consisting of atoms so tightly packed together (such as hypothetically inside a black hole) that regardless of what material the atoms once were, the hyper-dense, super heavy material would now be so compact it would appear to same to all measurements in all forms regardless of where the sample 'dark matter' material came from. Could we agree also on that?

If so I posit we could tap into a 'dark energy' source and use it. If we extrapolate e=mc^2 like star-trek to include replicating things out of pure energy, I hypothesise we could replicate or perhaps 'shoot' or 'smash' particles together using that energy, and create a very dense 'synthetic dark matter' which could be used much the way we use other materials like Thorium, Uranium, Plutonium, etc. to extract that energy back out.

Alternatively, as we continue to learn more about black holes and how they 'eat' one another and how violent and messy that process is, and as we learn about the behaviours of the event horizons and the idea that things can be crushed by the gravity well but still spit out the 'plume' is it not entirely possible that real 'dark matter' or hyper compressed material could be at the very least scavenged from around black holes, or supermassive black holes?

I'd like to hear your thoughts. What is your speciality in physics? Thermodynamics? Optics? Mechanics? Astrophysics? Nuclear?
Última edición por VïkådïN; 8 ENE 2022 a las 10:19
VïkådïN (Bloqueado) 8 ENE 2022 a las 10:18 
Publicado originalmente por Ryika:
Publicado originalmente por Orion Invictus:
I'm a physicist and simplified it for the sake of what I'm guessing are (mostly) laymen readers. What are your qualifications?
He watches videos on Youtube.
Another fart in the wind with nothing to say. You kids can sit down and let me and Orion (probably astrophysicist by the name) have an intelligent discussion. Thanks kiddo! Go back to tiktok. I used ewetube because it was easy to get a point across to children.
Edit: I guess his degree isn't worth the paper to wipe his ass, he won't have a discussion about the science and he thinks cows cause global warming. Lmfaoooo
P.S. Xaph don't watch that kurtze channel, it's horribly inaccurate and wrong, I just typed in "black hole bomb" and gave you the first video link that looked like it wouldn't overwhelm you. That channel is so stupid they actually think global warming is real and the fault of cows. ♥♥♥♥♥
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Xaphnir 8 ENE 2022 a las 10:26 
Publicado originalmente por VïkådïN:
I'd like to avoid posting anything too specific that could be related to me personally, but I have over 200 peer citations for my work in my field.

Your earlier posts were conflating dark matter and antimatter, dude, no one believes you.

Also, no one except you calls antimatter "negative matter." If you meant antimatter earlier, you should have just called it that from the start.

You know what, ♥♥♥♥ it, why am I still responding to what I identified as a troll earlier? OP, sorry your thread turned into this.
Última edición por Xaphnir; 8 ENE 2022 a las 10:34
VïkådïN (Bloqueado) 8 ENE 2022 a las 10:26 
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Publicado originalmente por Xaphnir:

Especially given that one plausible candidate is primordial black holes.

I wouldn't even go that far, it's just that to assume we know everything about a substance we've never even studied directly is foolish and conceited.

It's like before QM became a thing, when some scientists started thinking that our understanding of physics was pretty much complete.
Nobody claimed to know everything about a substance, we're talking about a substance in the game and how it could be real. Nobody assumed anything except the idiot Xaph who couldn't read my comment so still assumed I meant dark matter and anti matter were the same thing despite being told directly contrary.

And now we argue with out scientists about basic sexual dimorphism on every organism living on the planet so let's avoid discussing what idiot 'accepted' scientists are saying at the moment and stick to the actual scientific method of test, repeat, and prove... Shall we? Arguments from experts or authority are no substitute for the scientific method.

I never said our understanding was complete, so I hope you're not asserting that I did. Unified field theory won't even be the end of our understanding, but a new beginning. And when we begin to understand things that we now regard as magic or paranormal, we will be on another cusp of scientific advancement... It is always foolish to think there is an end to science; the true master is an eternal student.

Please, if you're going to discuss with me, go off what I am actually saying, not the misrepresentations of smooth brained children.
Orion Invictus 8 ENE 2022 a las 10:26 
Publicado originalmente por VïkådïN:
That channel is so stupid they actually think global warming is real and the fault of cows. ♥♥♥♥♥
Have a nice day.
VïkådïN (Bloqueado) 8 ENE 2022 a las 10:29 
Publicado originalmente por Xaphnir:
Publicado originalmente por VïkådïN:
I'd like to avoid posting anything too specific that could be related to me personally, but I have over 200 peer citations for my work in my field.

Your earlier posts were conflating dark matter and antimatter, dude, no one believes you.


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Publicado originalmente por Brady:
i know you need the tech, but this is a science question. How would anyone ever collect dark matter? dark matter isn't something you can collect. it's invisible and it can't interact with really anything. so how would this work?

Short answer:Siphon dark energy or equivalent power source, E=mc2 it into matter, make the matter hyper dense with insane mass for small area = dark matter fuel pellet. Convert pellet back into energy used to create it via e=mc2

Long answer. Hope you have as much fun reading as I did writing

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First, there is negative matter which you seem to call dark matter, which may not be the same as dark matter (or may be related). This is matter which has negative charges instead of positive. Not only can we make small bits of this in the lab, but because it violently reacts with any type of positive matter, (which is EVERYTHING we know of and use and are made of) it's difficult to store or handle for even nano-seconds. This is likely what science fiction uses as "anti-matter" and science indicates that MOST of the universe is actually made up of anti-matter, not matter as we know it. This is fascinating because it raises billions more questions than it answers, and we can't even imagine how chaotic and insane it must be on the edges where anti matter and matter meet. But whatever the case, the idea that space is uniformly the same no matter where we go is not only wrong, it's stupid. We get materials and minerals from outside our solar system which do not match materials here on earth, ad that's just from the oort cloud. The universe is probably so much more extreme and incredible than we could even imagine from our tiny little backwater perspective on the far-flung tip of our far-flung backwater galaxy. It's literally HUGE out there. I highly doubt it's the same everywhere when even islands on our own planet have been known to be bereft of iron. Any element heavier than Iron is only formed when a star goes super nova, so gold, platinum, silver, all the precious metals are all formed by a star's death. The dispersion of those materials probably varies incredibly over the universe. And since stars are born in batches, it's likely there are different "batches" or "biomes" in the universe ourside our galaxy.
I removed the rest and emboldened it for you since you have now made 5 false claims misrepresenting what I said when ALL OF US can just SCROLL UP AND SEE, RIGHT THERE, PLAIN AS DAY, AN ENTIRE PARAGRAPH DEVOTED TO DIFFERENTIATING DARK MATTER AND ANTI MATTER just SHUT UP already please if you have NOTHING intelligent to say. Just because dark matter COULD have a positive or negative charge, ie. because dark matter COULD be made of anti-matter, did not mean that they were the same thing.
Última edición por VïkådïN; 8 ENE 2022 a las 10:32
VïkådïN (Bloqueado) 8 ENE 2022 a las 10:33 
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That channel is so stupid they actually think global warming is real and the fault of cows. ♥♥♥♥♥
Have a nice day.
I guess your degree isn't worth the paper to wipe your ass if you can't even discuss the science.
Ryika 8 ENE 2022 a las 10:36 
Publicado originalmente por VïkådïN:
You kids can sit down and let me and Orion (probably astrophysicist by the name) have an intelligent discussion.
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Publicado originalmente por Orion Invictus:
Have a nice day.
I guess your degree isn't worth the paper to wipe your ass if you can't even discuss the science.
Very intelligent discussion indeed.
Elitewrecker PT 8 ENE 2022 a las 10:39 
Doesn't matter if you edited if you still said the same thing.
Ryika 8 ENE 2022 a las 10:41 
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Youwere too slow, I already edited that comment. You must type as slow as you think.
Your edit is not relevant, since I don't think it's Orion who's having trouble with having an intelligent discussion.
Orion Invictus 8 ENE 2022 a las 10:47 
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Publicado originalmente por Orion Invictus:
Have a nice day.
I guess your degree isn't worth the paper to wipe your ass if you can't even discuss the science.
I don't engage in discussions about science with people who refuse to acknowledge its validity. It's that simple. Also, given your "pure energy" comment and reference to Star Trek as if it were realistic, I'd literally have to teach you a course in physics for you to be up to speed on everything you need to know before we can even begin approaching the subjects of dark matter and dark energy.
VïkådïN (Bloqueado) 8 ENE 2022 a las 11:08 
Publicado originalmente por Brady:
i know you need the tech, but this is a science question. How would anyone ever collect dark matter? dark matter isn't something you can collect. it's invisible and it can't interact with really anything. so how would this work?

Dark Energy can be defined as the energy which is driving the expansion of our universe. We know it exists because we can run math using computers to calculate it at a given time. Think of the universe as a loaf of bread with raisins. The raisins are galaxies held together by local gravity. As the bread bakes, and rises and grows, all the raisins get further and further apart even though the raisins themselves don't expand. We can and have proved this mathematically, and have even proven it will not rubber band back (a theory in the 90's) and that it is continuing to accelerate alarmingly rapidly. We have even calculated a 'day' when all the galaxies will be so far apart and so spread out that every species in every galaxy, when they look out, will see nothing and believe they are completely alone. This is known as the heat death of the universe. Dark energy exists, and is most simply understood as "the force which is blowing the universe out and away from itself". It's the baking in the oven.

Dark matter for the purposes of this discussion could be simplified as hyper compressed material that is very dense. To trim the fat. We can debate if it actually exists or not, about whether the missing mass when calculating stellar movements is 'dark matter' or other real world parallels but since the game uses it as a fuel source, perhaps we could stop arguing and agree it could be a) material that survives compression from a black hole b) is very dense and heavy as a result c) could perhaps be synthetically created is you had the tech and energy to re-create the circumstances that allow it to form naturally. I prefer to think of it as "Chomper's poop from Futurama" which does not require a black hole itself, just the same compression and circumstances of a black hole. All of this, it should be noted, is speculative.

Black holes are real, I removed all the fun facts about black holes because nobody cared and everybody cried. If you want to see more, here's a link to the Chandra X website for black hole study. https://chandra.harvard.edu/resources/handouts/lithos/bhA_low.pdf and if you want to read the original stuff about black holes, black hole bombs, and black hole energy boxes, go read my original comment.

There is also negative matter or anti-matter which you seem to call dark matter, which exists in real life at places like CERN where positrons or positively charged particles can be used to create hydrogen atoms with negative charge, or anti-matter. This is matter which has negative charges instead of positive. Not only can we make small bits of this in the lab, but because it violently reacts with any type of positive matter, (which is EVERYTHING we know of and use and are made of) it's difficult to store or handle for even nano-seconds. This is likely what stellaris coins "anti-matter" and science indicates that MOST of the universe is actually made up of anti-matter, not matter as we know it. This is fascinating to me but everybody else nit-picked it to death so it's been cut also. See original post if you want my original enthusiasm and excitement.

The universe is probably so much more extreme and incredible than we could even imagine from our tiny little backwater perspective on the far-flung tip of our far-flung backwater galaxy. It's literally HUGE out there. I highly doubt it's the same everywhere when even islands on our own planet have been known to be bereft of iron. Any element heavier than Iron is only formed when a star goes super nova, so gold, platinum, silver, all the precious metals are all formed by a star's death. The dispersion of those materials probably varies incredibly over the universe. And since stars are born in batches, it's likely there are different "batches" or "biomes" in the universe ourside our galaxy. It is definitely not all the same all the way out, as others have wrongly stated.

Original comment had metaphors and analogies to help understand gravity and the other forces, and I was excited but none of it really matters for your question.

If we were able to harvest enough energy, such as from dark energy, we might be able to create dark matter. What was not mentioned in my original post is the perception of time as you sink towards the center of a black hole. It's my believe matter is suspended in a sort of timelessness as it approaches the speed of light, and that all things outside the event horizon would experience (relatively to the hole itself) time moving on 'normally' but infinitely faster than the material falling into the black hole. It may be possible to extract that spaghettified material which would by definition be hyper compressed, hyper dense material that could be called 'dark matter.' Like reaching into the time suspended mass of compressed atoms and extracting out compressed dark matter. I won't bother getting excited about this since I'm sure nobody is interested because people don't care about cool scientific stuff like this anymore, they just want to be entertained and pat on the head.

This is a slimmed and edited repost that hopefully doesn't spawn any pointless arguments to derail to conversation. Read the original if you want the original joy in the text. Think of the dark matter as hard, heavy, very compressed stuff. Don't think of it as 'the ether' or 'the negative space'. And certainly don't imagine 'dark matter' as the gravitational pull of the black hole.
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