Anomalies, can AI "steal" them?

[Bermag]

If you have found an anomly can AI steal it from you or does it belong to the one who discovered it (i.e it is invisible to other)? I wonder because I have seen AI just ignore some anomalies that I have discovered but not researched but OYOH when I have gone systems which I know AI has surveyed they are usually empty of anomnalies which means that they will research them.

[Danny]

Anomalies and special projects are empire specific.

[pipo.p]

Speaking broadly, the only "anomalies" that can be stolen are the archaeological sites, and the precursors home system special project (on site). Well, they are not proper anomalies, but they can be researched and spoiled before you can..

[failsafe]

I believe that the annomaly belongs to the finder. So, if there is one annomaly in particular system whoever finds it - takes it. This is why do don't see annomalies in areas "digested" by other empires, and this is why other empire's scouts don't use "our" annomalies.

Well, at least this is my idea how it works.

[Ryika]

Originally posted by failsafe:

So, if there is one annomaly in particular system whoever finds it - takes it. This is why do don't see annomalies in areas "digested" by other empires, and this is why other empire's scouts don't use "our" annomalies.

No, there are no "anomalies in a particular system", because anomalies are not generated at galaxy generation. Instead, there is a chance that an anomaly is generated whenever an empire surveys a stellar object - but only if it's the first empire to do so.

[Bermag]

Good . I usually leave higher level anonmalies till a bit later when scientist get a few more levels and always worried that AI would steal them. Especially if it is a precursor anomaly.

[Bermag]

Originally posted by Ryika:

Originally posted by failsafe:

So, if there is one annomaly in particular system whoever finds it - takes it. This is why do don't see annomalies in areas "digested" by other empires, and this is why other empire's scouts don't use "our" annomalies.

No, there are no "anomalies in a particular system", because anomalies are not generated at galaxy generation. Instead, there is a chance that an anomaly is generated whenever an empire surveys a stellar object - but only if it's the first empire to do so.

Hmm Is that which the "anomaly discovery chance" is used for? So a higher discovery chance make it more probable to generate an anomaly? Makes that trait a lot more important than I thought.

That explain why in some games I find lots of anomalies and in some a lot less.

[Ryika]

Originally posted by Bermag:

Hmm Is that which the "anomaly discovery chance" is used for? So a higher discovery chance make it more probable to generate an anomaly? Makes that trait a lot more important than I thought.

That explain why in some games I find lots of anomalies and in some a lot less.

Yes, "anomaly discovery chance" increases the chance to discover an anomaly each time a planet is surveyed. More specifically, it is a multiplier on the natural chance that you have, which varies depending on how many planets you have surveyed since you last found an anomaly. Starts as 5%, and goes up by 0.5% each time you survey a planet without finding an anomaly.

[xycotta]

Originally posted by Ryika:

Originally posted by Bermag:

Hmm Is that which the "anomaly discovery chance" is used for? So a higher discovery chance make it more probable to generate an anomaly? Makes that trait a lot more important than I thought.

That explain why in some games I find lots of anomalies and in some a lot less.

Yes, "anomaly discovery chance" increases the chance to discover an anomaly each time a planet is surveyed. More specifically, it is a multiplier on the natural chance that you have, which varies depending on how many planets you have surveyed since you last found an anomaly. Starts as 5%, and goes up by 0.5% each time you survey a planet without finding an anomaly.

Did that change? I thought it was 10% and increases by 10% each try

[Ryika]

Originally posted by xycotta:

Did that change? I thought it was 10% and increases by 10% each try

In early versions it was 2.5% +0.5% on each fail, but I don't think it was ever 10% +10%.
Those numbers would essentially mean an anomaly per 5 planets or so.

[xycotta]

Originally posted by Ryika:

Originally posted by xycotta:

Did that change? I thought it was 10% and increases by 10% each try

In early versions it was 2.5% +0.5% on each fail, but I don't think it was ever 10% +10%.
Those numbers would essentially mean an anomaly per 5 planets or so.

Thanks, not sure where I got that

[failsafe]

Originally posted by Ryika:

Originally posted by failsafe:

So, if there is one annomaly in particular system whoever finds it - takes it. This is why do don't see annomalies in areas "digested" by other empires, and this is why other empire's scouts don't use "our" annomalies.

No, there are no "anomalies in a particular system", because anomalies are not generated at galaxy generation. Instead, there is a chance that an anomaly is generated whenever an empire surveys a stellar object - but only if it's the first empire to do so.

I think we are talking about pretty much the same thing. Your explanation might be closer to the mechanics of the game, while mine is... stupid, but means almost the same.

The only real difference is that every empire has its own chance to find the annomaly in the system - not the first empire to enter it. If first empire fails to discover the annomaly, then every next empire has its own chance to find it. Or not.

At the end of the day there can be only one annomaly in each system and annomaly once discovered is safe, since no other empire can take it.

[Ryika]

Originally posted by failsafe:

I think we are talking about pretty much the same thing. Your explanation might be closer to the mechanics of the game, while mine is... stupid, but means almost the same.

There are a few differences between the systems, such as the fact that due to anomalies being spawned on survey reloading the game and surveying the system again will lead to different outcomes - a planet may spawn an anomaly in one attempt, and none in the next, or it may spawn an anomaly in both attempts, but it's actually a different one each time.

But yes, it's mostly small details, the grand picture is the same. Still think it's worth pointing out though, since those small details lead to some pretty interesting decisions that you can make.

Originally posted by failsafe:

The only real difference is that every empire has its own chance to find the annomaly in the system - not the first empire to enter it. If first empire fails to discover the annomaly, then every next empire has its own chance to find it. Or not.

Worth noting that it's per planet though: Two empires in the same neutral system can survey two different planets and each find an anomaly for their empire. Only a specific planet that has already been surveyed by some empire cannot generate any anomalies anymore.

Originally posted by failsafe:

At the end of the day there can be only one annomaly in each system and annomaly once discovered is safe, since no other empire can take it.

No, there is no "one anomaly per system" limitation. But yes, anomalies are safe. Only issue is that the other empires may eventually claim the territory and close their borders towards you.

[failsafe]

So, okay, if this is a planet-thing, than in relatively rare case two or three or more empires can survey one system, each focusing on different - non surveyed before - planet and each can get its annomaly. Though... I don't think this can happen or at least happen often.

But yes, if this is a planet creating annomaly, not the system, it makes a change.

[pipo.p]

Originally posted by Ryika:

Only a specific planet that has already been surveyed by some empire cannot generate any anomalies anymore.

That I didn't know. I had only concluded that on rare times when you can survey a system owned or previously owned by another empire, you never find any anomaly (e.g. when a FE opens borders with you).

[alpha_9er]

I knew anomalies were randomly generated upon survey, but that doesn't make it reasonable to make them "un-stealable". I figured that after an object had been surveyed once and an anomaly found, opponents would find the same anomaly following their surveys unless it had been researched. WTH were the devs thinking? :facepalm:

I guess this also means that resources revealed by surveys aren't available to other empires either?