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Just the classic thing where your population spins completely out of control past 2300 is gone for good (where you would build ring world after ring world), so you need to plan ahead and have most of your colonies in place at that point.
Note that this mechanic change has also removed all the mid/endgame slowdown on larger maps. So it's not like they did this to troll the players.
You could also try the beta, which has a base curve of pops *0.25 rather than *0.5 in the live version. Even less jobs producing more, and two sliders to adjust the new mechanics to your taste.
Oh, so the term "nonsensical" is offensive to you? Ok I'll try to rephrase.
It completely breaks immersion that a newly founded colony would care even the slightest how many people live on the capitol planet, or that this caring would in any way reflect on their ability to reproduce.
Is that better?
What he said...
It's the worst civ you could possibly play in stellaris History, and the crisis buffs don't even make up for 1/100th of the debuffs.
I really hope they are looking in a way around it that 100% involves deleting this mechanic from the game, it's not compatible with stellaris period.
The current beta has two new game settings; both for the logistics growth as well as the progression variables.
So if you want, you can change these to pre-nemesis values (1x logistics and 0x progression).
You missed the point of my post sport. I am not 'offended' by anything you said (or will ever say fyi) I was merely pointing out the folly of going down the 'its nonsensical' rabbit hole in a game filled to the brim with utterly nonsensical ideas and mechanics, few of which hold up under any close examination. Like for some reason nobody has ever thought it 'nonsensical' that...
- Every organic race eats the same food
- Breaths the same gases
- All races (even robots) use the same propulsion and weapons systems in all their ships
- All use some weird form of currency called influence to talk to one another
- All observe odd Medieval rules of declaring war
- Respect each others borders in open space
- Space only operates in 2 dimensions
- I could go on like this for literally ages......
My point was complain about the mechanic being bad, or not fun. But to complain about it being nonsensical is pointless.
Does this remove the mechanic effectively completely? Does it make it so a late-game colony doesn't decide to have less children just because the empire they belong to is at some arbitrary threshold?
I remember when the FTL changes came, and people were actually peddling the BS that no FTL options had been removed, just made research rather than starting options, which really didn't make sense alongside all the other talking-points PDX and their defenders were spouting.
Let's break those down and compare them to the pop mechanic, shall we?
I mean, for starters, we don't know what "food" constitutes. It's a catch-all term. And, really, is it all that surprising that species are eating the same food? Most species on Earth eat similar things; large variance is rather rare.
So, one can easily suspend their disbelief here.
No. This isn't hard to believe at all. Almost every species in Stellaris is carbon based life, meaning organic molecules comprised of carbon, hydrogen, and oxygen (to keep it simple).
Organic life, as far as we're aware, will breathe primarily oxygen. That is the case for most species on Earth, like the food mentioned previously. There are exceptions, but they're just that.
The only ones that differ are Lithoids (silicon based life) and robots, both of which...can easily settle every planet.
So, one can easily suspend their disbelief here...assuming they had any?
Funny, I remember people complaining about this back when they removed different FTL types...weird how that works.
Anyways, physics are constant. A gun built by a human would, functionally, be little different than a gun built by a walking mushroom. Sure, the actual engineering may vary, but the physics will remain the same.
Something Stellaris actually "simulates" as it were when you scan destroyed ships; you aren't unlocking the tech most of the time. Just getting progress in the tech; that is to say, reverse engineering to help you develop your own.
Come on...the game literally tells you influence is nothing more than political power of your empire. It's in the name.
It's not a currency, it's how willing both your people and other empires are to listen to you (or at least acknowledge you).
It's only a currency so the player can comprehend it.
I admit this one is a bit harder to justify, but at the same time...it's not hard to believe either.
We have some sort of universal translator after all, as well as the galactic community. Suspending disbelief here is pretty easy.
This is because the only way to travel interstellar is through hyperlanes. It makes it pretty easy to declare what your borders are if you can only travel from one specific star to the next.
Actual open/closed borders is a bit more complex. One could argue that it's not so much borders are closed as it is "enter here and we will declare war", which (most) empires would honor.
Player convenience and nothing more. There's no reason why, say, space battles would go differently in 3D vs 2D, it just makes it easier for the player to follow.
Out of all of these, it's only the whole declaring war bits that are iffy. They're not unbelievable though.
The empire-wide pop cap, however, is utterly arbitrary and contrived. There is absolutely no reason why having 1000 pops spread throughout your empire would make a fresh new colony take years to grow. Carrying Capacity already covers how populations increase and decrease, while the population capacity of an empire would simply be the capacities of the planets.
The "best" argument one could make is that wealthy nations IRL tend to have lower birth rates, but even then...Japan having being near its capacity doesn't suddenly mean Niger's birth rate slows down, which is an okay comparison for planet vs planet.
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That was literally the point I was making. People 'suspend their disbelief' or 'invent reasons that abstract systems work' in a multitude of ways each time they fire the game up. But for some reason with pop growth they become completely literal and refuse to just accept that *Insert whatever reason* is why pop growth slows down. Like you just systematically explained away all those things (perfectly reasonably I might add) but you could use that same logic to explain away the pop growth mechanic (if you wanted to) but thats the point people don't 'want to' so they don't.
That's probably because you don't enjoy the mechanic, which is a far more solid and valid complaint. But for some reason people keep going down this odd argument dead end that it 'doesn't make sense'
As I said arguing it 'doesn't make sense' is a pointless route, loads of the things in Stellaris 'don't make sense'
Argue it is not fun, or bad, or lazy or whatever but don't argue it 'doesn't make sense' or if you do then apply that same rigid unbending logic to all areas of the game.
Industrial districts murder the voidborne start, you have to get advanced habitats to keep alloy upkeep low which still murders your progression. By the time you get enough habitats your out teched and out gunned.