Robots and migration/(auto)resettlement

[Flex0r75]

TLDR: Robots DO auto-resettle when unemployed. Only requirement is to give them citizen rights.

I was watching this recent stream yesterday of a guy named Stefan Anon testing out Void Dwellers in 3.x to see if they were still viable. He is VERY into the mechanics of the game and noted extensively he will be going for clone vats in stead of robot. The reason for this was very specific, namely the inability of robots to auto resettle and his unwillingness to micro it while playing and commenting at the same time. Even when taking into consideration the ridiculous 30 food per month, per clone vat, upkeep to assemble bio pops.

I was playing with robots, keeping that in mind, and went all the way up to synthetics tech while keeping them in servitude. That meant they were now practically slaves (the servitude label on the pops even changed to a ball and chain icon). It wasn't that kind of playthrough so I gave them full citizenship. I could easily spare the 10 influence to resettle worker stratum full rights pops, if they were not going to do it by themselves.

After fighting a FE and leaving my colonies unattended for a while, I noticed a robot on my homeworld. The only world without the assembly plant and I didn't resettle any robot yet by hand. After some more testing, unemployed sentient robots with full rights resettle at the same rate as any other free pop. You can check out the unemployment tooltip next to the number of free jobs in the planetary view. It will say that ANY free pop that is unemployed will have a 5% chance (base) each month to choose to resettle. Migration policies are not mentioned anywhere as being linked to this mechanic.

It is indeed true that you cannot possibly enact the species right to have robots migrate freely. But (species specific) free migration policy and (auto) resettlement are different mechanics and you don't need the first to benefit from the latter. As migration is only used to boost other colonies their organic pop growth and allow other free organic species to choose to organically grow on other planets it actually makes sense that you can't ever allow free migration for robots. But they can still get bored if unemployed and will move to a planet that has jobs and housing if left unattended.

[Elitewrecker PT]

I'd assume that's because full citizenship synths behave like normal citizens.

[SkiRich]

Do sentient robots not have a migration policy in the species tab?

[Flex0r75]

There is, but there is no alternative offered to allow any migration of the robots. But it doesn't affect resettlement as that is not linked to migration by the game.

[talemore]

Just do not research synthetic. Droids can do it too.

[Flex0r75]

Originally posted by Elitewrecker PT:

I'd assume that's because full citizenship synths behave like normal citizens.

And yet there are apparently still tons of people who think they will not, and if they do, it is a bug related to pre synth ascension policies. Like this streamer, going out of his way to crunch the numbers on how bad clone vats are. That you need almost 3 extra farmer pops to assemble one organically at 3.0 base speed, while only needing the roboticist to construct one at 2.0 base speed (2.3 with the no-brainer assembly speed trait). But it would still be worthwile "if you didn't want to micro the resettling of robots, as they just won't auto-resettle, 'ever'".

Yeah, I think I will just be creating robots. You will have the synthethic tech long before crowding and unemployment becomes an issue, even when playing a habitat species.

[Flex0r75]

Originally posted by talemore:

Just do not research synthetic. Droids can do it too.

Really? They are not even technically free. That's great to know, because I love how droids can work most jobs but don't get locked in strata.

[Elitewrecker PT]

Originally posted by Flex0r75:

Originally posted by Elitewrecker PT:

I'd assume that's because full citizenship synths behave like normal citizens.

And yet there are apparently still tons of people who think they will not, and if they do, it is a bug related to pre synth ascension policies. Like this streamer, going out of his way to crunch the numbers on how bad clone vats are. That you need almost 3 extra farmer pops to assemble one organically at 3.0 base speed, while only needing the roboticist to construct one at 2.3 base speed. But it would still be worthwile if you didn't want to micro the resettling of robots, as they just won't auto-resettle, 'ever'.

Yeah, I think I will just be creating robots. You will have the synthethic tech long before crowding and unemployment becomes an issue, even when playing a habitat species.

But aren't people talking about that referring to robots or droids, not synths?

[Flex0r75]

I have tried numerous searches related to robot auto resettlement and it sure looked like it. Many people seem to link not being able to enable free migration for any tier of robot to them not being able to auto-resettle.

Which is somewhat understandable, as you could consider choosing to resettle a form of free migration.

[SkiRich]

Originally posted by talemore:

Just do not research synthetic. Droids can do it too.

I never research sapient robotic workers. I stop at droids.
Its because droids have no unhappiness and thats what I want. When unemployed they just sit around ho hum.

I have never seen a droid automigrate. Their species does not have that policy to allow for it. So they are locked into the planets.
That why I asked about the migration policy for sapient robots. Specifically, do they have the Allow Migration policy? If they do then sure they act like regular people.

[Ryika]

Droids cannot auto migrate, only Synths can.

[SkiRich]

Thats what I thought. Thanks.

[Flex0r75]

Originally posted by SkiRich:

Originally posted by talemore:

Just do not research synthetic. Droids can do it too.

I never research sapient robotic workers. I stop at droids.
Its because droids have no unhappiness and thats what I want. When unemployed they just sit around ho hum.

I have never seen a droid automigrate. Their species does not have that policy to allow for it. So they are locked into the planets.
That why I asked about the migration policy for sapient robots. Specifically, do they have the Allow Migration policy? If they do then sure they act like regular people.

Migration policies are ONLY for planets lending out organic pop growth to each other based on migration push or pull AND the ability for organic species on one planet to choose to grow on other planets if they so desire. It is completely seperate from resettlement mechanics, be it auto or manual. Robots can NEVER grow organically anywhere so migration policies do not apply to them, ever.

The only criterium and 'option' to 'enable' auto resettlement is that the pop is a 'free' pop. So even Synths with full citizen rights still do NOT have an 'option' to 'enable' free migration. They just will auto resettle (not migrate, I know it's confusing as resettlement in real life is regarded as migration), as long as they meet the two simple criteria of being 'free' pops and unemployed.

[Ryika]

Originally posted by Flex0r75:

Migration policies are ONLY for planets lending out organic pop growth to each other based on migration push or pull AND the ability for organic species on one planet to choose to grow on other planets if they so desire. It is completely seperate from resettlement mechanics, be it auto or manual.

That's not true, organic pops that do have migration controls cannot auto resettle.

Only Synths and Machine Pops ignore this limitation.

[Flex0r75]

Makes sense, that if you CAN control migration like with organics, that it would also apply to automatic resettlement. I was too focused on the robot aspects of migration and resettlement. You must admit that removing the last sentence of my first paragraph in your quote also took what I said IN the paragraph more out of context than was strictly necessary.

They could introduce a seperate species right for auto-resettlement or change the wording for robot species and give an alternative option. Free pop Synths should NOT be locked into an enabled stance, if for whatever reason you don't want them to, imho.

It would be more in line with organic free pops and even slaves for which you do have 'full' (or at least much more direct) control of this mechanic. Even if that means having to build slave processing plants to enable it for the slave pops.