Unbidden spawning in player territory

[CthuluIsSpy]

So twice the Unbidden spawned in my territory. This time in an inhabited system, and I didn't even get to fight them. Is there a trick to stop that from happening, or is it just random?
Also 6 Unbidden crisis in a row. The RNG needs to be fixed.

[CthuluIsSpy]

Origineel geplaatst door Ryika:

Origineel geplaatst door Zuul:

Weight flaw towards unbidden? I thought they redid all the weighting some time ago with unbidden being slightly less likely than scourge or contingency, and all the oddball situational modifiers being replaced with a flat, equal, time based weighting increase for all 3.

They did, but then changed it so the Unbidden can spawn earlier than the other crises if any empire in the galaxy has a jump drive technology. As soon as Endgame Year is reached, to be precise, while the others only have a chance to spawn 50 years after. To compensate, they reduced the chance for them to spawn later, but that's meaningless if it never gets to that point.

Because of this, the Unbidden are much more likely to occur for anyone who's even somewhat experienced with the game but uses default endgame date, since having Jump Drives by that time is pretty much a given for AIs and players.

@topic:
The position in which the Unbidden spawn is largely random, just any rim system that's not directly adjacent to a fall empire.

Just to clarify, you mean to say that another crisis could occur later in the game? That's interesting, I thought it was just one crisis at a time. I tend to play up to year 2500.
I think I might extend the victory date to 2600 next time just to see what happens.

[IPWIW]

Origineel geplaatst door CthuluIsSpy:

Just to clarify, you mean to say that another crisis could occur later in the game?

no
there's specific triggers for unbidden to spawn as "early" as endgame date,which still stop other crisis
the other two should be included but from what i see in the code it's bugged to just unbidden

[CthuluIsSpy]

Origineel geplaatst door IPWIW:

Origineel geplaatst door CthuluIsSpy:

Just to clarify, you mean to say that another crisis could occur later in the game?

no
there's specific triggers for unbidden to spawn as "early" as endgame date,which still stop other crisis
the other two should be included but from what i see in the code it's bugged to just unbidden

Well that's unfortunate. That's something that should be fixed.
Would certainly make the last few decades before the victory year interesting.

[Ryika]

Origineel geplaatst door IPWIW:

Origineel geplaatst door CthuluIsSpy:

Just to clarify, you mean to say that another crisis could occur later in the game?

no
there's specific triggers for unbidden to spawn as "early" as endgame date,which still stop other crisis
the other two should be included but from what i see in the code it's bugged to just unbidden

No, the fact that it's only the Unbidden is intentional, the concept was presented that way in one of the Dev Diaries.

The chances of it occurring is just way too high with standard settings. The outcome is probably more balanced with early crisis dates, or high tech costs.

[IPWIW]

so default_endgame_early_start_triggers is broken by design?

[Ryika]

Origineel geplaatst door IPWIW:

so default_endgame_early_start_triggers is broken by design?

At a glance, it seems like there's an or = {} missing, yes, since the three conditions are mutually exclusive and thus never return true. As far as I can tell however, the purpose of that trigger is to allow allow crises to happen if there's no war in heaven possible, happening or scheduled.

That's different from the Unbidden trigger, which can happen at endgame date even if war in heaven is happening, or about to happen.

So as far as I can tell, it is broken in the sense that the other Crises aren't enabled as they should be when there's not going to be a war in heaven, but the Scourge still has the prioritized position for early spawns.

[Danny]

Origineel geplaatst door Ryika:

Origineel geplaatst door IPWIW:

so default_endgame_early_start_triggers is broken by design?

At a glance, it seems like there's an or = {} missing, yes, since the three conditions are mutually exclusive and thus never return true. As far as I can tell however, the purpose of that trigger is to allow allow crises to happen if there's no war in heaven possible, happening or scheduled.

That's different from the Unbidden trigger, which can happen at endgame date even if war in heaven is happening, or about to happen.

So as far as I can tell, it is broken in the sense that the other Crises aren't enabled as they should be when there's not going to be a war in heaven, but the Scourge still has the prioritized position for early spawns.

So it IS broken!

As per Paradox tradition...

[Garatgh Deloi]

Origineel geplaatst door koimeiji:

a reminder that "dangerous techs" do not spawn the crisis

researching a dangerous tech only influences what the crisis will be when it does spawn, and they will only spawn after the endgame year is reached


the more robots there are, the more likely it'll be a contingency. if anyone has jump drives, the more likely it'll be the unbidden. if the game chooses neither, it'll be either war in heaven (if there's fallen empires) or the scourge

That is how it used to work before we had the setting for what crisis should spawn, they changed it around completely at that point. If set to random then its completely random (no weights attached depending on techs or stuff in game), if set to a specific crisis its always that crisis.

The only exception being the unbidden spawned from dangerous techs that seems to have its own trigger.

[Slimurgical (Stormy)]

The Unbidden gain higher chances of spawning if anyone researches Jump Drives, and goes Psionic Ascension, alongside other dimensional research, though I don't think there are any others.

Meanwhile the contingency spawn based on if there's been a machine uprising, and the Prethoryn spawn based purely on "You haven't gotten the others haha" and nothing else.

The Unbidden wouldn't keep being the only crisis that exists if the developers actually bothered to give the Contingency more chances, same goes for the Prethoryn...

Like why not have the Prethoryn spawn if there's a Devouring Swarm, or someone goes Biological Ascension, Contingency? Determined Exterminator and Mechanical Ascension.

But yeah, all the Unbidden do is forcibly take a system from whoever alongside all adjacent systems, and then they just puke out fleets. No special events or anything, not really any point to them either. MAYBE you can get tech but really, it's just a wall to destroy and nothing else, kinda lame ngl.

[Danny]

They should just remove the whole jumpdrive thing from spawning the Unbidden.
Havign lots of synths around doesn't incease the chances for the Contingency any more either.

Maybe keep the psi jumpdrives one trigger, though limit that impact as well by a wide margin.
But then also add a slight increased trigger for Contingency and Prethoryn Scourge.
Like e.g. having more than 3 machine/synth empires for Contingency or more than 3 hive/erudite empires for Prethoryn Scourge.

[Garatgh Deloi]

Origineel geplaatst door StormyStrife:

The Unbidden gain higher chances of spawning if anyone researches Jump Drives, and goes Psionic Ascension, alongside other dimensional research, though I don't think there are any others.

Meanwhile the contingency spawn based on if there's been a machine uprising, and the Prethoryn spawn based purely on "You haven't gotten the others haha" and nothing else.

They removed almost all of that in the patch that added the option for choosing the crisis.

Here is the relevant patch notes from patch 3.0:
"Nuked old script to randomize which crisis shows up. Now it is simply purely a random choice that is random (with the chance of any crisis happening increasing the more years pass in the endgame)."

With the exception of the unbidden having a extra early trigger if you research dangerous techs:
"A country has researched jump drives or psi jump drives (only the Unbidden can happen in the first 50 years in this case)"