Combat disengagment working correctly?

[JamaicanDave]

I've played a few games since the combat disengagement was introduced and while many of the AI ships jump away the majority of my own ships get destroyed instead. Am I just really unlucky?

Nb - I prefer slower firing, higher damage weapons, so it's not like I'm giving the AI lots of chances to escape.

[galadon3]

Do a lot of the AI-Ships get reduced to that white-flag symbol or does the AI actually use the emergency retreat option?

[Elitewrecker PT]

Maybe they're using higher disengagement war policies?

[Kanthier]

Originally posted by galadon3:

Do a lot of the AI-Ships get reduced to that white-flag symbol or does the AI actually use the emergency retreat option?

I'm having the same issue atm - their ships are quickly reduced to the white flag (disengaging from combat) and the instant they flip to that my ships stop hitting them. as soon as every ship in the AI fleet is 'white flagged' they emergency jump, for a final loss of zero ships compared to my loss of about 25% of my fleet

[MightyFox]

I haven't had a problem with this yet, but I also try to use high damage loadouts so that may have something to do with it. I would agree that, in general, simply too many ships can jump out of combat. It should be able to save roughly half your fleet, not 75% or so. It lets the AI just keep throwing the same fleet at you in rapid succession, which get's annoying when you are trying to bombard a planet, or are far away from a base that can repair your ships.

[Belhedler]

It is probably related to your war stance (see in Decrets & Policies), and yeah if you go victory or death its +30% damage for your fleet but will never be able to disengage...

[Kanthier]

Originally posted by Belhedler:

It is probably related to your war stance (see in Decrets & Policies), and yeah if you go victory or death its +30% damage for your fleet but will never be able to disengage...

Assuming you mean Policies and Edicts, I don't see that as an option - the only war-related ones I see are War Philosophy (aggressive/liberation/defensive wars) and bombardment options. None of my mods *should* affect that page, but I might need to go through them again. I am also loading an old save.

On the other hand, since making that reply, I've seen an AI fleet do their 'every ship has disengaged I'm'a emer-jump' well before the timer has elapsed

[Terminal]

I have also been experiencing this, although it is a little hit and miss at times. It seems to happen most often whenever I have a decisive fleet-strength advantage, oddly enough. Anytime an opposing fleet would get an engagement bonus due to my own fleet strength, it is not unusual for literally every single ship the enemy has to manage to white flag out of the battle while I lose a small handful of ships every time.

Whenever opposing fleet strengths are roughly equivalent, I tend to see much more balanced results and a far smaller percentage of enemy ships seem to flag out.

Of course, I have been unable to reproduce this from the other side of the equation. Any time one of my fleets would get an engagement bonus due to fleet strength disparity, it is almost always a total fleet wipe situation.

If I had to guess, I would say the AI probably does prioritize tech, policies, and perhaps even traditions that buff disengagement chance. In general, the AI is perfectly willing to sacrifice its planets in order to protect its fleet, so these kind of tactics make a weird kind of sense.

[Kanthier]

alright, THIS war the War Philosophy policy popped up (maybe I was checking during peacetime earlier? idk) and it's set to Defensive Philosopy

[Elitewrecker PT]

It's not the war philosophy, it's a different policy.

[Storm]

Originally posted by Ddraig:

alright, THIS war the War Philosophy policy popped up (maybe I was checking during peacetime earlier? idk) and it's set to Defensive Philosopy

You only get the war doctrines option if you fill out the supremacy ambition. If it's not finished you don't get a bonus.

[Kanthier]

Originally posted by JSDF - Thus They Fought There!:

Originally posted by Ddraig:

alright, THIS war the War Philosophy policy popped up (maybe I was checking during peacetime earlier? idk) and it's set to Defensive Philosopy

You only get the war doctrines option if you fill out the supremacy ambition. If it's not finished you don't get a bonus.

Either way it's never been set to Victory or Death, and AI fleets can emergency jump before the E-jump timer has elapsed if all their ships have disengaged (proved via battle report NOT listing their fleet as being a wipe; 50% casualties max, usually 25% or less and sometimes no losses)

My fleet had a green -100% emergency ftl jump charge time buff while theirs had a red +200% time debuff and mine couldn't e-jump yet

Originally posted by Elitewrecker PT:

It's not the war philosophy, it's a different policy.

correction: The one right below the policy which determines whether you can fight wars of aggression, as I don't have the game open to look atm

[Elitewrecker PT]

Emergency jump is completely irrelevant for disengagement, those are different stats. But you CAN reduce enemy disengagement chance in certain stars or with starbase buildings if I'm not mistaken.
Yes it's below the war philosophy.

[Belhedler]

btw, isn't the answer to the question: starbase FTL jammer? That's why you don't get to disengage easily while the ennemy does, when you are invading his empire or taking back a lost system I mean.

[Elitewrecker PT]

I don't think the jammers themselves reduce disengagement chance.

[HugsAndSnuggles]

Originally posted by Belhedler:

btw, isn't the answer to the question: starbase FTL jammer? That's why you don't get to disengage easily while the ennemy does, when you are invading his empire or taking back a lost system I mean.

Only Communication Jammer does, which AI needs to build (yet to see any). What you, probably, notice here is 1.25 friendly territory multiplier.