Are the First League less good than most other precursors?

[Chuddly]

I sometimes re-roll to get Cybrex or Zroni depending on what I want to play but when I don't re-roll and just take whatever start I get, I always seem to get the Vaultum or Irassian who are decent. But the First League doesn't get a unique artefact and only gets a relic world which is admittedly good... but they're not exactly super rare, I usually stumble across one or two a game.

[Maya-Neko]

if you've the relics dlc, then you can also invest artifacts in the secrets of your precoursors project. Doing that for the first league will also give you weather control systems and anti-gavity engineering, as well as giving planet build speed. So it's definitely quite strong, if you plan to build multiple ecumenopulis.

But overall it's definitely not that great. I however doesn't reastart the game just based on that and just take the bad luck.

[CrUsHeR]

You also get a bunch of minor artifacts (up to 30), and the secret project gives:


1) Weather Control Systems + Anti-G Engineering (if you don't have them yet, restore the Ecu with those)

2) +15% Industry Research Speed (permanent empire modifier)

3) +10% build speed (meh)

4) Scientist gets Industry Expertise (same like Cybrex reversed, i.e. research the project with a voidcraft+genius scientist to get the ultimate head of engineering)


If nothing else, perfectly suited for synth ascension and Ecu restoration. The huge boon is also that you can get this relic world early on, and it always is 25 size, although it can have negative effects as well. The project only costs 6k to research, then you're done.

While the Cybrex are initially mostly good for unlocking Mega-Engineering. The project already costs 12k and ME itself another 48k. So even if you have something like 1k research by 2240-50, it would take something like 180 months to research both (60k : ~333).
Ergo, if you get the thing completed early, you basically can't do anything with it. Can't restore the Ring World, shouldn't research mega-engineering (too expensive), and the relic...

Well. This is one of those "teach a man to fish" things. You can pay 150 influence and 10k minerals now to get 5k alloys, or you *could* pay 200 influence and 20k minerals to restore Fen Habbanis III. And produce a lot more alloys in the most efficient manner, way earlier.


Of course you also could have another relic world, but that's just it. TBH the precursors are just a bonus, you can also "win" with the trash-tier precursors, Irassians or Yuht.

Restarting - if at all - should be based on totally different factors, like wether you have unbearable neighbors, or none at all, or you are locked in, or have no mineral deposts within 5 jumps, etc etc.

Otherwise i'd just install the Known Precursor mod again.

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1780597499

[Chuddly]

Originally posted by Maya-Neko:

if you've the relics dlc, then you can also invest artifacts in the secrets of your precoursors project. Doing that for the first league will also give you weather control systems and anti-gavity engineering, as well as giving planet build speed. So it's definitely quite strong, if you plan to build multiple ecumenopulis.

But overall it's definitely not that great. I however doesn't reastart the game just based on that and just take the bad luck.

That does sound quite good.

Nah, I usually have a specific roleplay in mind.

[Chuddly]

Originally posted by CrUsHeR:

You also get a bunch of minor artifacts (up to 30), and the secret project gives:


1) Weather Control Systems + Anti-G Engineering (if you don't have them yet, restore the Ecu with those)

2) +15% Industry Research Speed (permanent empire modifier)

3) +10% build speed (meh)

4) Scientist gets Industry Expertise (same like Cybrex reversed, i.e. research the project with a voidcraft+genius scientist to get the ultimate head of engineering)


If nothing else, perfectly suited for synth ascension and Ecu restoration. The huge boon is also that you can get this relic world early on, and it always is 25 size, although it can have negative effects as well. The project only costs 6k to research, then you're done.

While the Cybrex are initially mostly good for unlocking Mega-Engineering. The project already costs 12k and ME itself another 48k. So even if you have something like 1k research by 2240-50, it would take something like 180 months to research both (60k : ~333).
Ergo, if you get the thing completed early, you basically can't do anything with it. Can't restore the Ring World, shouldn't research mega-engineering (too expensive), and the relic...

Well. This is one of those "teach a man to fish" things. You can pay 150 influence and 10k minerals now to get 5k alloys, or you *could* pay 200 influence and 20k minerals to restore Fen Habbanis III. And produce a lot more alloys in the most efficient manner, way earlier.


Of course you also could have another relic world, but that's just it. TBH the precursors are just a bonus, you can also "win" with the trash-tier precursors, Irassians or Yuht.

Restarting - if at all - should be based on totally different factors, like wether you have unbearable neighbors, or none at all, or you are locked in, or have no mineral deposts within 5 jumps, etc etc.

Otherwise i'd just install the Known Precursor mod again.

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1780597499

I didn't know the ecu worlds were so good for alloys. Yeah it's the Cybrex Warforge I like most of all.

Does that mod let you choose precursors?

[Nowhereman]

Originally posted by Mr CanEHdian:

Does that mod let you choose precursors?

"This mod adds an edict that will open a selection screen where you can pick your precursor."

It's in the description of the mod.

[mss73055]

Your ethics add to the roll.
Zron and Cybros both trip on the Spiritual/Material axis.
Iras for the Miltary/Peaceful axis.
First League for Authoritarian/Egalitarian.

Cybros is unbalanced. First segment ready around 2260. 3rd ascension pick Galactic Wonders, and before 2300 you got a Dyson Sphere or Matter Decompressor.

[Chuddly]

Originally posted by mss73055:

Your ethics add to the roll.
Zron and Cybros both trip on the Spiritual/Material axis.
Iras for the Miltary/Peaceful axis.
First League for Authoritarian/Egalitarian.

Cybros is unbalanced. First segment ready around 2260. 3rd ascension pick Galactic Wonders, and before 2300 you got a Dyson Sphere or Matter Decompressor.

I didn't know that, that's good to know, thanks!

The anomaly precursors can be incredibly frustrating too. You might only find 3 of the anomalies after searching a hundred systems and never get it.

[Chuddly]

Originally posted by Nowhereman:

Originally posted by Mr CanEHdian:

Does that mod let you choose precursors?

"This mod adds an edict that will open a selection screen where you can pick your precursor."

It's in the description of the mod.

Wow that sounds good. I was gonna say it sounds like cheating but I use the debugtooltip command to see what precursors are around me and then reload until I get the one I want lol.