How to survive the War in Heaven

[John Activision]

Ok, so the not long after the unbidden poped up in my galaxy the war in heaven comenced, I joined with my neighbor (who was pretty powerful) and other empires off which where all luckily close by, we fought a seemingly ruthless and unwinnable victory until i realised a nice trick to survive the slaughter! basically i started occupying lesser faction planets until i got atleast 12% warscore on both awakened empires and white peace'd that ♥♥♥♥♥. now im recovering and watching the galaxy burn :D

[iFrame]

War in Heaven is quite easy to beat, it is much less overwhelming than Crisis. The issue is that sometimes the War in Heaven triggers too early which is why players struggle with it.

For the average game, we're looking at WiH triggering 100-150 years into the playthrough. By then you're pretty much expanded big enough and ready to fight the war or at least survive it(unless you've been sleeping for the last century lol). I've had games where WiH triggered at 50 years, it was way too early and to be honest the player can hardly survive the war much less win it, unless you get vassalized/conquered. You still have some hope by building up and overthrowing your FE overlords but it is still tough.

Heres a link to the War in Heaven triggers. It'll give you an idea or so on how to delay the trigger. Paradox should really consider widening the buffer period for the trigger.
http://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/index.php?threads/are-awakened-empires-overpowered.979992/#post-22049564

[John Activision]

Originally posted by Fi:

War in Heaven is quite easy to beat, it is much less overwhelming than Crisis. The issue is that sometimes the War in Heaven triggers too early which is why players struggle with it.

For the average game, we're looking at WiH triggering 100-150 years into the playthrough. By then you're pretty much expanded big enough and ready to fight the war or at least survive it(unless you've been sleeping for the last century lol). I've had games where WiH triggered at 50 years, it was way too early and to be honest the player can hardly survive the war much less win it, unless you get vassalized/conquered. You still have some hope by building up and overthrowing your FE overlords but it is still tough.

Heres a link to the War in Heaven triggers. It'll give you an idea or so on how to delay the trigger. Paradox should really consider widening the buffer period for the trigger.
http://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/index.php?threads/are-awakened-empires-overpowered.979992/#post-22049564

yeh dude im not very far in and unbidden and i beleive unbidden triggered an FE and that FE triggered another FE which in turn triggered a war in heaven,

[Champin Playr]

I made preemptive strike with my federation when they were awakening

[Tragic Hero]

When I had the option for the war in heaven I was in a great place. I had a 40k fleet with a dreadnaught, another 5k fleet building up and earning 70 energy and 300 mineral.

Once I picked a side, however; all my vassals seemed to join the other side.

Wasn't expecting that...

So all that nice mineral bonus and energy I was receiving went to the wayside and I was in massive debt soon. I gave my remaining allies research agreements for energy to hopefully keep me alive but our side was moving at a snails pace.

No matter how many fleets I destroyed or former vassal planets I took, the highest I got my wars cores to was 30.

Soon my massive fleet couldn't repair itself and my iron man normal game was over.

Well I guess I'll go finish pillars of eternity before I come back again

[NixBoxDone]

Yeah, awakened empires are srs bsns. :D

[Lehern]

Surviving it depends on many factors and difficulty. To counter awaken empires you need at least 50k fleets with lances or mega cannons on normal difficulty. 75k power recommended. Becoming one or others subject is generally a bad idea.

If you are already powerful then staying neutral is an option. But leading the non-aligned empires is usually more fun. Either way you need to take advantage of the two AE fighting. They can destroy each others fleets very quickly but also build up quite fast. Just keep an eye on their fleet power.

After the initial clashes they will spread out their fleets to lay sieges and that's the best way to snipe their fleets. Eventually you want to keep skirmishing with them and hunting down their fleets and liberate possibly captured planets. If in federation remember to put tick on your main fleet so that your allies will follow you around.

Keeping the war score on neutral is well enough. After the war has gone for long time they will start to ask for white peace. That's when you want to go and lay sieges and capture their capitals one by one. Once above 20 warscore they will usually surrender due to the length of the war and comparison of fleet power (even that the requirement says its 75 for them to surrender).

[corisai]

Originally posted by Lehern:

Surviving it depends on many factors and difficulty. To counter awaken empires you need at least 50k fleets with lances or mega cannons on normal difficulty.

Only lances. Mega cannons against 75-80% armor damage reduction is very bad idea, even arc emitters would be better.

[Yang]

Originally posted by Lehern:

Surviving it depends on many factors and difficulty. To counter awaken empires you need at least 50k fleets with lances or mega cannons on normal difficulty. 75k power recommended. Becoming one or others subject is generally a bad idea.

If you are already powerful then staying neutral is an option. But leading the non-aligned empires is usually more fun. Either way you need to take advantage of the two AE fighting. They can destroy each others fleets very quickly but also build up quite fast. Just keep an eye on their fleet power.

After the initial clashes they will spread out their fleets to lay sieges and that's the best way to snipe their fleets. Eventually you want to keep skirmishing with them and hunting down their fleets and liberate possibly captured planets. If in federation remember to put tick on your main fleet so that your allies will follow you around.

Keeping the war score on neutral is well enough. After the war has gone for long time they will start to ask for white peace. That's when you want to go and lay sieges and capture their capitals one by one. Once above 20 warscore they will usually surrender due to the length of the war and comparison of fleet power (even that the requirement says its 75 for them to surrender).

50k? Against their 300k+ fleet strength? Would not recommend it.

[Knight.R]

Originally posted by Aparvez Bugallo Bill:

Ok, so...watching the galaxy burn :D

:)

[Lehern]

Originally posted by corisai:

Only lances. Mega cannons against 75-80% armor damage reduction is very bad idea, even arc emitters would be better.

Is that true? My mega/giga cannon and kinetic artillery only battleships seem to usually do most damage against FE and AE. Mostly due to the range and they both have some nice armor penetration and also do fairly good shield damage.

Originally posted by Yang:

50k? Against their 300k+ fleet strength? Would not recommend it.

If you are going to go head on alone against grown awaken empire then it's not recommended.

But in the War in Heaven the two battling empires will usually in my experience render down each others fleets quite significantly and spread them out giving opportunities for smaller fleets too. With a diversive and fairly advanced fleet and maybe some allies taking down a roughly equal sized clumsy awaken empire fleet is not much of a pain. Depending on the difficulty of course.

[John Activision]

Originally posted by Lehern:

Surviving it depends on many factors and difficulty. To counter awaken empires you need at least 50k fleets with lances or mega cannons on normal difficulty. 75k power recommended. Becoming one or others subject is generally a bad idea.

If you are already powerful then staying neutral is an option. But leading the non-aligned empires is usually more fun. Either way you need to take advantage of the two AE fighting. They can destroy each others fleets very quickly but also build up quite fast. Just keep an eye on their fleet power.

After the initial clashes they will spread out their fleets to lay sieges and that's the best way to snipe their fleets. Eventually you want to keep skirmishing with them and hunting down their fleets and liberate possibly captured planets. If in federation remember to put tick on your main fleet so that your allies will follow you around.

Keeping the war score on neutral is well enough. After the war has gone for long time they will start to ask for white peace. That's when you want to go and lay sieges and capture their capitals one by one. Once above 20 warscore they will usually surrender due to the length of the war and comparison of fleet power (even that the requirement says its 75 for them to surrender).

i went neutral u see, so im just sitting here, how long does the war last when ur not involved.

[argentaegis]

So, just finished my first game with a WiH. I have to say, it was a Shakespearean level absurdity.

It all began, as these things do, with an unbelievably endless swarm of Tyrannids storming into the galaxy. I'm serious, MILLIONS in fleet power of these things. Thankfully, they only bunched up in groups of 2 to four 60-70k fleets. Needless to say, they ate the first empire they landed in, and I was next on the menu trying to get to a single 60k fleet.

But we're in luck! The ancients have risen to save us! "I'll save you!" they said.
Five minutes later, "No! I'll save you" said the second ancient power.
Five minutes later, both cry in unison, "Join us or die"

Now, I'm fortunate enough to be on the far side of the galaxy from the Vorlon/Shadow dong measuring contest, but while every other empire wanders off to join the War in Heaven, Hive Fleet Leviathan is playing spawn more overlords. I targeted their landers so they'd have to bombard colonies to rubble. This bought me time enough to get Defender of the Galaxy and use superior economic and strategic depth (that means they could't bombard colonies faster than I could make ships).

You'd think they'd show some gratitude, but space gods are not known for such things. After spending decades fighting the very galactic menace they say they were going to save us from...apparently the League of Non-Aligned worlds succeeded in giving about 20% of the galaxi to an bunch of Awakened Empire Fanatic Xenophobe bird people with delusions of grandeur. That empire shows up on my doorstep looking for payback for past insults (WTF!) with a 670k fleet...so maybe they didn't have "delusions" about the grandeur.

I look at my 386k fleet, maxed at 2000 fleet cap (with the fleet edict) t6 yards across 19 core systems.

I race off to colonize systems in the hope of building fleet cap before they burn their way across my skies. Apparently the number of habitable worlds had gotten low for some reason and proportions shifted...Domination Victory.

[Tragic Hero]

Yeah so after 6 or 7 iron man fails it seems I used all my knowledge to put the game on easy street.

I started off by building my fleet, expanding my territory and forging a strong federation. As a pacifist I relied on my federation to pick the fights. As we were ready to win the war the hidden showed up right now cue.

With my massive fleet I went straight at them and took them out right away. Then by the time the two big awakened empires showed up I guess me and my get were too big for them to start a galactic war.

So now I sit and wait until my federation gets the required planets needed for the win

[John Activision]

Originally posted by Tragic Hero:

Yeah so after 6 or 7 iron man fails it seems I used all my knowledge to put the game on easy street.

I started off by building my fleet, expanding my territory and forging a strong federation. As a pacifist I relied on my federation to pick the fights. As we were ready to win the war the hidden showed up right now cue.

With my massive fleet I went straight at them and took them out right away. Then by the time the two big awakened empires showed up I guess me and my get were too big for them to start a galactic war.

So now I sit and wait until my federation gets the required planets needed for the win

well since i started this post sometime last year not long after leviathan release i havent had 1 single war in heaven.....im very confused