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TheOnlyKnight Dec 26, 2019 @ 9:27am
Genocidal empire hates me for being genocidal
A Determined Exterminator empire has the negative "Xenophage" modifier for its opinion of me, a regular machine empire. Is this a bug, or is there another reason for this?
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Originally posted by Ape-tier Buffoonery:
Originally posted by TheOnlyKnight:
I guess I'm the kind of person who, if my goal was total extermination, and somebody was using them in a process for energy (which does eventually kill, after reproduction), I would be fine, but it does make sense that they get angry for killing them. But, in that case, shouldn't it be a separate modifier like "Hesitation" or something similar?
As Meewec pointed out it may not be apart of their code.

We're also forgetting that even though they're being imprisoned/eaten/used as batteries they're not /dead/ and are actually very much allowed to breed (atleast to the point where their population stays static).

Lets say.. Mosquitoes did you wrong somehow in real life. So wrong in fact you've sworn a sacred duty to kill off every last one of the blood suckers on the planet. You achieve most of this goal by uniting countries and killing off all mosquitoes on Earth. However there is one country that refuses to kill the mosquitoes. They were otherwise a friendly country but this country prefers to keep them in jars and do science experiments on them.

Even if they promised to never release the mosquitoes you never know if maybe some day those Mosquitoes may rise up, or the country in question decides to release them. This fact alone will always make you think twice about dealing with them diplomatically if not outright them getting the stink eye.

edit: I agree it would be nice if they changed the flavour text to show that. It's probably just a developer oversight in that 99% of the regular empires deem you Xenophage if you use pops as livestock/batteries, that they forget to change the text for the 1 empire it doesn't make sense to.
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Nightmyre Dec 26, 2019 @ 9:44am 
AFAIK that modifier is assigned if you purge any species. For a Total War empire (like the Determined Exterminators) it's largely irrelevant, since they'll always hate you either way.
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xycotta Dec 26, 2019 @ 9:58am 
Makes sense, being genocidal, you want to exterminate them. Since they are the superior race they are deeply insulted that an inferior race wants to kill them.
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Mansen Dec 26, 2019 @ 10:14am 
No bug. YOU exterminated something THEY wanted to exterminate. You're ruining their fun.
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MP Dec 26, 2019 @ 10:19am 
Uh. You were expected to be liked for exterminating whole species? Are your brains alright?

Look, by wiping out a species you show that you are a tangible threat to them. Why would they befriend someone who is threatening them? If anything, they should be gunning for you next because you're an even bigger threat.
Last edited by MP; Dec 26, 2019 @ 10:23am
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TheOnlyKnight Dec 26, 2019 @ 11:59am 
The reason it doesn't make sense, other than ruining their fun, is that I'm not even wiping the race out. I'm just hooking them up to my power grid. They don't have anything to fear, since they're a machine empire too. I have no reason to dislike them.
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Danny Dec 26, 2019 @ 1:38pm 
I actually got a relationship BOOST from militant isolationists for purging once... XD
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Dungeon Quill Dec 26, 2019 @ 4:16pm 
Originally posted by TheOnlyKnight:
The reason it doesn't make sense, other than ruining their fun, is that I'm not even wiping the race out. I'm just hooking them up to my power grid. They don't have anything to fear, since they're a machine empire too. I have no reason to dislike them.

Look at Xycotta's post, in a real world sense the empire could be seeing you as a potential threat that wants to exterminate them. Yes they are genocidal too, but they possibly see you as a larger threat to them.
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coolman552 Dec 27, 2019 @ 2:27am 
determined exterminators dont usually see other machine empires hostile but i guess u did a bad
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Meewec Dec 27, 2019 @ 3:15am 
Originally posted by TheOnlyKnight:
The reason it doesn't make sense, other than ruining their fun, is that I'm not even wiping the race out. I'm just hooking them up to my power grid. They don't have anything to fear, since they're a machine empire too. I have no reason to dislike them.
that's probably the problem, they want to wipe out all biological life, you're keeping biological life around as batteries.
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Azunai Dec 27, 2019 @ 3:30am 
you get xenophage for eating other sapient species (or in your case turning them into energy). that's a separate additional penalty on top of purging.
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coolman552 Dec 27, 2019 @ 4:22am 
Originally posted by Meewec:
Originally posted by TheOnlyKnight:
The reason it doesn't make sense, other than ruining their fun, is that I'm not even wiping the race out. I'm just hooking them up to my power grid. They don't have anything to fear, since they're a machine empire too. I have no reason to dislike them.
that's probably the problem, they want to wipe out all biological life, you're keeping biological life around as batteries.
thats not true since i became allies with another determined exterminator when i was using biologicals as batteries
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Azor Dec 27, 2019 @ 7:28am 
Xenophage is a small penalty

Determined exterminators do NOT count xenophages btw. Because they purge. edit: if the wiki is right and/or the game is not bugged then some empires have either biophage or xenophabe opinion towards DEs

Xenophage penalty are applied to empires that are using one or more species as livestock, which does not kill the species being used as a source of energy.

Determined exterminators actually do not care if another machine empire purges biological species iirc
Last edited by Azor; Dec 28, 2019 @ 5:26pm
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TheOnlyKnight Dec 28, 2019 @ 3:26pm 
Well they do, as I am getting the penalty for doing it.
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Azor Dec 28, 2019 @ 5:02pm 
Originally posted by TheOnlyKnight:
Well they do, as I am getting the penalty for doing it.
XENOPHAGE =/= GENOCIDAL
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Azor Dec 28, 2019 @ 5:08pm 
if you're just genociding as you say then idk

anyway xenophage is a modifier that does not stack. It's a flat opinion modifier last time I saw it

edit: if the wiki[stellaris.paradoxwikis.com] isn't outdated
Xenophage applies to any empire that is not authoritarian or xenophobe -25 opinion
Xenophage applies to xenophiles -50 opinion
Biophage to egalitarian -50
Biophage to xenophile -100

So you should only be getting -25 opinion
Last edited by Azor; Dec 28, 2019 @ 5:14pm
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