hegemony question

[tkoshark]

Is it just me, or do the hegemony subordinates get better bonuses than the hegemony leader? The short-term benefits of a hegemony are clear, but long-term, wouldn't a high-level galactic union (or most other federations), with the player having a sufficiently gigantic diplomatic weight, be a superior federation for the player? Stronger bonuses with the same dominance over the other members (you just don't get that dominance in the beginning)?

[Karthor]

https://stellaris.paradoxwikis.com/Federation#Federation_laws

If you checked this link, you will notice that Hegomony needs for severel laws a much smaller centralisation then other feds. So you will get this laws much easier and earlier.

yes, the other member gain better ressource boni, but they can't leave the fed, and you control the fed!

[Meewec]

Originally posted by Karthor:

yes, the other member gain better ressource boni, but they can't leave the fed, and you control the fed!

that and you can force others in and steal 30% of their naval capacity for the fed fleet

[Garatgh Deloi]

Originally posted by tkoshark:

Is it just me, or do the hegemony subordinates get better bonuses than the hegemony leader?

Hmm? I was under the impression that the leader gets all the bonuses. Since there are two type of bonuses, member bonuses and leader bonuses, the leader being both a leader and member of the federation.

[tkoshark]

Originally posted by Garatgh Deloi:

Originally posted by tkoshark:

Is it just me, or do the hegemony subordinates get better bonuses than the hegemony leader?

Hmm? I was under the impression that the leader gets all the bonuses. Since there are two type of bonuses, member bonuses and leader bonuses, the leader being both a leader and member of the federation.

From what I can tell, Hegemony is the only federation in which some bonuses--the really good ones that increase job production--apply ONLY to the non-president members; hence "Other Member Bonuses."

[tkoshark]

Originally posted by Karthor:

https://stellaris.paradoxwikis.com/Federation#Federation_laws

If you checked this link, you will notice that Hegomony needs for severel laws a much smaller centralisation then other feds. So you will get this laws much easier and earlier.

yes, the other member gain better ressource boni, but they can't leave the fed, and you control the fed!

Right... but I think part of my point is that you can eventually control any type of fed (once you grow your strength by midgame, reach level 3 in the fed, and change vote weight to diplomatic weight), and then you reap more sweet bonuses. The principal advantage of a hegemony, it seems, is instant gratification. And even then, if you, say, start the hegemony with the origin, then the other members can pass you up and become the new hegemony president, right? So it does still seem like the hegemony has the potential for great short term gratification but loses in the long term?

[Karthor]

Sure,you could still lost the leadership, but with Federation DLC installed exist many Laws, that help you to regain control.
And if you lost control of Hegomony, then you are just not worthy to lead it. Ask the Klingons for help then.

[tkoshark]

All of that still adds to my larger point, though--the other federations have better long-term advantages, especially if you aren't even guaranteed to hold onto control of the hegemony, anyway!

[Garatgh Deloi]

Originally posted by tkoshark:

Right... but I think part of my point is that you can eventually control any type of fed (once you grow your strength by midgame, reach level 3 in the fed, and change vote weight to diplomatic weight), and then you reap more sweet bonuses. The principal advantage of a hegemony, it seems, is instant gratification. And even then, if you, say, start the hegemony with the origin, then the other members can pass you up and become the new hegemony president, right? So it does still seem like the hegemony has the potential for great short term gratification but loses in the long term?

Tbh the main long term benefit of the hedgemony federation is that you can force others into the federation with its cassus belli and thus gain a much larger federation, that you are in total control of, then would otherwise be possible.

Other federations has a hard time getting that many members since both the people you are asking to join and the current members will refuse to form/join a federation with empires they don't like. Even if you somehow manage to circumvent that issue the other members could potentially outvote you on stuff if they combine their diplomatic weight.

Also this federation type has way more bonuses to its president then the other federation types (even if it can be argued that the member bonuses are stronger then the president bonuses, note that "members get stronger bonuses" can be argued for most federation types).

[tkoshark]

Originally posted by Garatgh Deloi:

Also this federation type has way more bonuses to its president then the other federation types (even if it can be argued that the member bonuses are stronger then the president bonuses, note that "members get stronger bonuses" can be argued for most federation types).

Most of what you're saying, I can agree with, but this part here, not so much. I believe the hegemony is the only federation that confers specific bonuses to only non-president members. From what I can tell, in every other federation type, the president also receives the bonuses applicable to its members. In the hegemony, the president misses out on that sweet 5% job production bonus, for examkle!

[Lemurian1972]

Originally posted by tkoshark:

Originally posted by Garatgh Deloi:

Also this federation type has way more bonuses to its president then the other federation types (even if it can be argued that the member bonuses are stronger then the president bonuses, note that "members get stronger bonuses" can be argued for most federation types).

Most of what you're saying, I can agree with, but this part here, not so much. I believe the hegemony is the only federation that confers specific bonuses to only non-president members. From what I can tell, in every other federation type, the president also receives the bonuses applicable to its members. In the hegemony, the president misses out on that sweet 5% job production bonus, for examkle!

In a Hegemony, most presidents worth their salt have those members roped in by that point so that their primarily using that bonus to fuel the federation war machine.

All it really works out to be is a kind of delegation of labor. Sure you miss out on those bonuses, but they're doing the work and handing it to you.

[Meewec]

Originally posted by Lemurian1972:

Originally posted by tkoshark:

Most of what you're saying, I can agree with, but this part here, not so much. I believe the hegemony is the only federation that confers specific bonuses to only non-president members. From what I can tell, in every other federation type, the president also receives the bonuses applicable to its members. In the hegemony, the president misses out on that sweet 5% job production bonus, for examkle!

In a Hegemony, most presidents worth their salt have those members roped in by that point so that their primarily using that bonus to fuel the federation war machine.

All it really works out to be is a kind of delegation of labor. Sure you miss out on those bonuses, but they're doing the work and handing it to you.

yup, you set it to strongest fleet and steal 30% of everyone else's naval capacity to pretty much ensure they don't pass you up

[RawCode]

"steal 30%" of naval capacity is joke, you will max fleet of 600 by 2350