No Impose Ideology wars for federations?

[Fivealive007]

Is it me or is there no way to get impose ideology wars when you are in a federation? I change my war philosophy to liberation wars only and the empire next to me has opposing ethics to me and my ally yet the claim doesn't come up. If Ideology wars are not allowed its kind of disapointing since I can't say for example build a union that spreads democracy across the galaxy by taking down dictatorships, or a holy alliance that spreads faith across the galaxy while taking down materialism. It really sucks (imo) when you are limited to maybe 1 or 2 other members because the rest of the galaxy is either xenophobic or has opposing ethics and hates you.

[tempest.of.emptiness]

When you say liberation war do you mean impose ideology? I think liberation wars are for liberating systems that once belonged to you or your allies, which are now controlled by an enemy. Impose ideology is the war goal that forces an enemy to adopt your ethics.

Edit: Corrected typo.

[Fivealive007]

Oops I meant imposing ideology, thanks for the correction.

[tempest.of.emptiness]

I don't recall ever using Impose Ideology as a war goal. According to the wiki, the only requirements should be a) Liberation Wars war philosophy, and b) non-gestalt empire. Since you satisfy both of those requirements, it should still be an option. I don't remember reading anything in the 2.6 patch notes about a change to how this works.

If you are using any mods, make sure they are all updated to work with the version of Stellaris you are playing and that none of them conflicts with any of the others.

Aside from that, I'm not sure what would cause this problem. When you attempt to declare war, what war goals are available?

[Fivealive007]

I could get the the vassilize and the tribute war goals, the conquer one if i had claims, but for some reason I can't select ideology while i'm in a federation. If im not in a federation then the ideology war goals works perfectly. I guess I could use the tributary wargoal conquer most of the country, white peace, then conquer the rest and give it to the tributary but that is really annoying since I have to wait 10 years and the AI might get in a alliance or get conquered by someone else. Then while I wait for the truce to end I get spammed that they are clamming my territory and/or that they are insulting me.

[The Grand Mugwump]

I was invited to a federation by a pacifist federation builder and they've been able to impose idealogy with the federation (quite frequently despite being pacifist lol). I did notice I lost my impose idealogy cassus belli against the rest of the galaxy when I joined the federation. Odd. Maybe only AI's or the one who sent the join federation request (the founder so to speak) can keep their impose idealogy cassus belli. I haven't experimented with it enough to know for sure. It might also depend on who is the current leader of the federation.

[tempest.of.emptiness]

Originally posted by Fivealive007:

I could get the the vassilize and the tribute war goals, the conquer one if i had claims, but for some reason I can't select ideology while i'm in a federation. If im not in a federation then the ideology war goals works perfectly.

Might be a bug, or an "unannounced feature". Or maybe there's something we're missing. It certainly sounds like you ought to be able to impose ideology.

[Garatgh Deloi]

While the exact requirements are not yet known you are sometimes able to impose ideology as a federation, having the same ideology as the other members may be a requirement (Makes sense since you are going to war as a federation, not having the same ideology as the other members but trying to drag them into a war to impose your ideology would be kinda weird), or it might simply be that you can't have clashing ideologies, or even something else entirely. Further testing required.

[Fivealive007]

Well that still doesn't make sense, because my faction had the same ethics and it still wasn't allowed.

[Breakingzap]

maybe you have to be the leader to impose iedology

[Forblaze]

Federations definitely mess with it somehow, but I can't figure out what exactly the issue is. Even when i kick out every member of my federation that doesn't match my government type exactly, I still can't impose ideology on an empire that doesn't share anything. If I leave the federation, the option becomes available immediately.

I'm fairly sure i've been able to use the impose ideology war goal while in a federation before though.

[Ssenkrad_II]

Originally posted by Forblaze:

Federations definitely mess with it somehow, but I can't figure out what exactly the issue is. Even when i kick out every member of my federation that doesn't match my government type exactly, I still can't impose ideology on an empire that doesn't share anything. If I leave the federation, the option becomes available immediately.

I'm fairly sure i've been able to use the impose ideology war goal while in a federation before though.

You were and now you can't. I also found out that "total war" was not an option in my federation. It might be the TYPE of federation that is causing the problem. With a "tech" federation I was unable to "total war" and now with a "general federation" I am unable to "impose" war... I'm guessing you have to have a "war" federation for "total war" and maybe economic federation for "impose"... don't know... but it has screwed up federations usefulness, they are clearly more worthless than they were before...

[tempest.of.emptiness]

Last night I was also unable to declare a total war while in a federation, even though I had a colossus. Oddly, after I claimed one enemy system then I had the option to declare a total war. The other member of my federation was a pacifist, but that did not block the war declaration.

So, I think that there's some strangeness (read: bugs) going on with federations and war declarations. My suggestion would be to try claiming one of the target's systems, to see if that unlocks new casus belli in your case.

[Ssenkrad_II]

You can't claim systems before declaring war to impose- that might work with total war but it wouldn't work with impose as you are unable to claim systems in defensive or impose war stance.

[tempest.of.emptiness]

Originally posted by Ssenkrad_II:

You can't claim systems before declaring war to impose- that might work with total war but it wouldn't work with impose as you are unable to claim systems in defensive or impose war stance.

Oh, right. I was so captivated by the unusual behavior that I overlooked that critical point that makes my suggestion impossible.