Impose Ideology

[Lufian]

So how does Impose Ideology work now, how do we use it?

[Breakingzap]

you set you wars to liberation wars and then declare war if you win they become the same empire type as you

[Lufian]

Yeah, the option is greyed out for me

[Breakingzap]

Originally posted by Babu:

Yeah, the option is greyed out for me

you playing militirist?

[Breakingzap]

what are you fighting?

[Lufian]

Nope, I am in a federation with guys that don't have the same ethics as me, I am the vanilla human faction and I changed my wars to liberation wars

[Aegmar]

Seems to be bugged (sometimes?)

Or it only works now against Empires with differing Power Structure (Democratic, Oligarichic etc) but no longer just when Ethics are different.

Should it be a valid war goal always against any target now ? In that case it would be bugged

[Garatgh Deloi]

I suspect it may have something to do with being in a federation with different ethics.

Since when you are in a federation you are not declaring war as a single empire but rather as the whole federation, would be kinda weird to drag the whole federation (with different ideologies) into a war to impose the ideology of one member (that the rest of the federation likely do not share) on another empire.

That said, its just a suspicion that seems to fit the facts:
1. Seems to only be a issue when you are in a federation.
2. Works for some people (perhaps those federations has the same ideologies).

Haven't tested the hypothesis yet.

[Aegmar]

Originally posted by Garatgh Deloi:

I suspect it may have something to do with being in a federation with different ethics.

Since when you are in a federation you are not declaring war as a single empire but rather as the whole federation, would be kinda weird to drag the whole federation (with different ideologies) into a war to impose the ideology of one member (that the rest of the federation likely do not share) on another empire.

That said, its just a suspicion that seems to fit the facts:
1. Seems to only be a issue when you are in a federation.
2. Works for some people (perhaps those federations has the same ideologies).

Haven't tested the hypothesis yet.

possible - let me do a quick check if i can start a liberation war against any other empire while in a Federation with 3 members with (slightly) different ethics.

[Garatgh Deloi]

Originally posted by Aegmar:

possible - let me do a quick check if i can start a liberation war against any other empire while in a Federation with 3 members with (slightly) different ethics.

If you have the opportunity also perform the same test with clashing ethics (they get marked in red in the members screen, hurts cohesion) and a federation with the same ethics.

[Aegmar]

Originally posted by Garatgh Deloi:

Originally posted by Aegmar:

possible - let me do a quick check if i can start a liberation war against any other empire while in a Federation with 3 members with (slightly) different ethics.

If you have the opportunity also perform the same test with clashing ethics (they get marked in red in the members screen, hurts cohesion) and a federation with the same ethics.

I can only test with differing ethics right now: Result is i can currently not declare war / select any Wargoal against any Empire (Wargoal Policy: Liberation Wars) but then im currently not the Federation President.

I will be shortly (need to reach federation level 3 so votes are not equally but according to diplomatic weight).

[Prophecy]

You say that a game from PDX is bugged?
Im in shock...
Wait 3 months and maybe it will get fixed....slowed down gameplay, but fixed
Until then, play a real sci-fi strategy game like Distant World Universe

[Lufian]

I think they changed it rather than it being bugged

[Aegmar]

Originally posted by Babu:

I think they changed it rather than it being bugged

Calling it a day, but i probably play some tomorrow and going to check if i just can't use LibWars because im not the President atm or if its not possible when in an Federation with differeing ethics.

Just have to wait until Federation is Level 4 so i can fix things so im President as long as im the strongest member (aka forever) or its my turn to be President again, whichever happens faster.

[Azunai]

looks like they broke it (or killed it on purpose). i hope it's just a glitch and not WAD. in previous game versions you could always expand federations by imposing ideology on others and inviting the newly created compatible polity.

different ethics within the federation were never a problem. the target simply got the ethics of the federation member that suggested the war declaration.

what i noticed is that i could still force vassalize after demanding vassalization (ofc only against inferior civs since you can't demand vassalization against stronger/equal) despite setting policy to liberation. don't know if that's WAD. doesn't make much sense actually - vassalization is just as imperialistic as straight conquest and should be limited to unrestricted wars policy imo.

anyway, that broken impose ideology option kinda limited my first federation campaign. i wasn't playing a pacifist so i could still use other wars to expand the fed, but it makes the whole thing needlessly complicated. don't like it (if its intentional).

[Aegmar]

Im permanent Federation President now after reaching Level 4 (Level 5 seems to be impossible then because losing XP now, only a little but won't reach level 5 this way).

I cannot use Impose Ideology Wargoal against any Empire - i DO have one Empire with an opposed Ethics pick (Materialist / Spiritualist) in the Federation, so this might be the reason, i can't test right now if Liberation wars work again when they are kicked out because the other member won't agree to kick them).

can anyone confirm if LibWars are working in a Federation when all Member have:

a) All exactly the same ethics

b) No opposing ethics

c) Not at all under any circumstances

?