"Legitimacy claim" system is needed for Liberation Wars policy.

[The Arch Dragon]

First of all, I really like the concept which you can wage war against other countries for some ideological crusade, not just only for territorial gain. But, the current system does not reflect what I wanna do for this huge factor: conflicting friendly nations.

This happens when you finish the war against the enemy with "status quo" for the first time and second time you succeed to make the enemy accept your ideology. In the first war, the new pro-player nation succeeding the heritage of the enemy was born, and after the second war the said enemy's regime change occurs.

So what happens next? There are two nations who are both friendly to you and accepts your ideology but both unfriendly against each other due to territorial claims. THIS SUCKS. Not only I cannot invite them both to my federation and territory line will be ugly as hell.

I argue for "legitimacy claim" system instead of territorial claim for unrestricted war, the system where you can declare the nation (it can be rebel or some other foreign nation, just have ideology close to the player) legitimate government instead of the enemy. If you win this war with this claim the nation you declared legitimate takes over all of the enemy territory. With this system, you can have a single friendly nation not two of them who are hostile against each other even if you did not conquering them all in a one war.

[Cryten]

Well two inferior nations with matching ethos to your own would make fine targets for invitation to being your vassal. You can then integrate them making territory claims a non factor because they become you. They key is to do it just as the liberation war ends where they have the least fleet power and no chance to dislike you being a new government you forcibly installed. Best chance to agree.

[bjamminloe]

I think this is a neat idea. I also think there should be a "join your war with you" option to defend friendly but unallied nations.

But as stated, vassal them both, integrate them, then set free will make 1 nation that is much stronger with no claims issues.

[The Arch Dragon]

Hmm, vassalization. I've never tried it because to vassalize is like something authoritarian government would do after the invasion. Like, more "democratic" way of forced regime change is after the regime change then leave them to become another failure state...

Well, that's the role-playing wise issue, but if in game play wise it works, I'm gonna have to try it. Thanks guys!

[Isokon]

I haven't really dealt with ideology wars, but couldn't you declare a war on the 'enemy' empire and invite the 'friendly' empire while promising them the systems they have claims on as spoils. If they (hopefully) accept, you could now wage a war, occupy your friend's claims and go for a status quo giving all those systems to your friend.

[Cryten]

If you want to believe your being democratic just think that you are america back when it took half of mexico for itself. That is you annexing and integrating another empire.