Vassalization war goal

[[TFM]bobcat]

Is this wargoal impossible against an enemy empire if they are a certain size? because I attacked this one empire and apart from the few systems taken by a different set of enemies in a parallel war I captured all the systems and I conquered all of their planets and yet I still cant enforce victory, can anyone tell me what I'm doing wrong here? Because this has happened pretty much every time I've tried this even going back to pre 2.0. Its not a huge deal as I just use the console to enforce the demand but would like to be able to do this without cheats preferably.

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[Danny]

Do they have fleets still roaming about?
If not just wait, as you keep hold of their systems you should keep getting closer to be able to vassilise them ^^

[[TFM]bobcat]

They did not have any remaining fleet that I am aware of. Does wait cause my war exhaustion to go up? I dont want to wait forever to get the win only to find out that I lost because my people got tired of waiting.

Also, I'm confused by the negative values shown here, among which are unoccupied systems and unoccupied planets. By this stage there are no unoccupied planets and there are no unoccupied systems (with the possible exception of the handful that are occupied by the other power in the war), so why the negative values for unoccupied systems and planets...

[Yaldabaoth]

Unfortunately for you, you apparently claimed one of the systems that other war party occupies. That counts against you. Yes, completely stupid system. I hate it, too. And neither the defending AI will ever sue for peace nor will the other war party because YOU probably occupy one of THEIR claims as well. This war will never end.

[Elitewrecker PT]

You can force status quo to vassalize everything minus the systems occupied by the third empire.

[[TFM]bobcat]

Originally posted by Yaldabaoth:

Unfortunately for you, you apparently claimed one of the systems that other war party occupies. That counts against you. Yes, completely stupid system. I hate it, too. And neither the defending AI will ever sue for peace nor will the other war party because YOU probably occupy one of THEIR claims as well. This war will never end.

I didnt claim any of the territory they took though, it counts as me claiming it even though I'm trying to vassalize them?

[[TFM]bobcat]

Originally posted by Elitewrecker PT:

You can force status quo to vassalize everything minus the systems occupied by the third empire.

really? I thought status quo would just white peace everything

[DJ]

Status quo gives each empire the systems they occupy where a claim is in place. If you have a claim on all occupied systems, then they will be yours.

[[TFM]bobcat]

Originally posted by DJ:

Status quo gives each empire the systems they occupy where a claim is in place. If you have a claim on all occupied systems, then they will be yours.

I dont have claims on any systems, the whole point here was to vassalize them whole sale, hence why I can't go the status quo route as I understand it.

[HoneyBadger]

The vassalization war goal was changed in one of the patches so that on status quo any unclaimed occupyed systems will be used to make a new empire that will be your vassal

[Seaghauwn]

Easy solution is blow up a few planets ai generally surrender after some time

[Elitewrecker PT]

Originally posted by TFMbobcat:

Originally posted by Elitewrecker PT:

You can force status quo to vassalize everything minus the systems occupied by the third empire.

really? I thought status quo would just white peace everything

It used to do that when you chose vassalization, but, as you can see, that would mean vassalization wars would either be all or nothing. So, in an update "sometime" ago, they made it so status quo will make a vassal out of all the occupied systems you have (as long as that includes one colony of course).
Disclaimer: I haven't really tried this myself, but it's what I've read.

[[TFM]bobcat]

ok cool, I'll try that out for myself then

[Nyven]

When I've done this (status quo on vassalisation war) it leaves the computer with one colonized system, usually their capital i believe, while the rest flips to a different empire name as your vassel. This leaves the computer with one system you have to take to finish them off, usually I just claim this system and take it after the 10 year truce is up.

[BR-Alexandre]

The vassalization status quo creates a new vassal out of all occupied but unclaimed systems.
Don't occupy a system? it will remain with them.
Occupy a system and claimed it? it will be yours

Occupy a system and not claimed it? it will become a new vassal IF there is at least one planet to create a vassal from it.

Liberation wars are pretty much the same, but it creates a liberated empire rather than a vassal.