Midgame crises?

[gudbrandur]

What are the midgame crises? Ive had Khans for three games in a row now!

[Random]

others are subject to your actions.

IE: opening the l-gate before the midgame crisis date results in the grey tempest mid game.

[Zzzzz]

Scripted game? Got to laugh... I thought RNG was bad enough!

[tempest.of.emptiness]

The mid-game start year is tied to certain events, including The Horde, Machine Uprisings, and The Spectral Wraith. None of them is guaranteed to occur. The Horde is worthy of being called a crisis.

Machine Uprisings may seem like a crisis if one happens to you, or if a lot of them happen. They usually fizzle out on their own eventually, and so aside from the empire that experiences the uprising the impact is usually minimal. There can be more than one uprising in a game, if enough empires satisfy the trigger.

The Spectral Wraith isn't a crisis, and most of the galaxy may not even know that it has triggered. It is a wandering space monster that can cause havok as it wanders around. It used to spawn as soon as someone entered its system, but when this would happen early in the game the damage it could cause was devastating because players had no hope of stopping it. So now it doesn't spawn until the mid-game start year, so that players have some chance of opposing it if it happens near them.

Your mid-game crisis date has no effect on the outcome of opening the L-Gate. The Grey Tempest is worthy of being called a crisis, but it isn't mid-game or end-game because it can happen at any time - but only when the gate is first opened. The other results aren't worthy of being called crises because they don't threaten even a single empire. If you were going to use the term mid-game crisis, you shouldn't use it in connection with opening the L-Gate because it is especially inaccurate in that case.

Strictly speaking, there isn't really a mid-game crisis. Rather, there are events that are connected with the mid-game start year (in that they can't happen before that point). People call them mid-game crises because that forms a similarity of parlance with the term end-game crisis, but unlike an end-game crisis there is no limit on how many of those events can occur, and many of them are tied to actions in the game.

So calling them mid-game crises is misleading, in that people come away with the misimpression that they are similar to end-game crises and the misimpression that one always happens. It would be better to call them mid-game events, to avoid confusion.

[Shahadem]

War in Heaven is the mid game crisis. Always has been.

[Rord64]

Originally posted by Shahadem:

War in Heaven is the mid game crisis. Always has been.

Fallen empires don't awaken until the late game since 2.0

[MansaMusa17]

Machine rebellions seem to pop up around 20-30 years after midgame for me.

[Onefastsled]

Originally posted by tempest.of.emptiness:

The mid-game start year is tied to certain events, including The Horde, Machine Uprisings, and The Spectral Wraith. None of them is guaranteed to occur. The Horde is worthy of being called a crisis.

Machine Uprisings may seem like a crisis if one happens to you, or if a lot of them happen. They usually fizzle out on their own eventually, and so aside from the empire that experiences the uprising the impact is usually minimal. There can be more than one uprising in a game, if enough empires satisfy the trigger.

The Spectral Wraith isn't a crisis, and most of the galaxy may not even know that it has triggered. It is a wandering space monster that can cause havok as it wanders around. It used to spawn as soon as someone entered its system, but when this would happen early in the game the damage it could cause was devastating because players had no hope of stopping it. So now it doesn't spawn until the mid-game start year, so that players have some chance of opposing it if it happens near them.

Your mid-game crisis date has no effect on the outcome of opening the L-Gate. The Grey Tempest is worthy of being called a crisis, but it isn't mid-game or end-game because it can happen at any time - but only when the gate is first opened. The other results aren't worthy of being called crises because they don't threaten even a single empire. If you were going to use the term mid-game crisis, you shouldn't use it in connection with opening the L-Gate because it is especially inaccurate in that case.

Strictly speaking, there isn't really a mid-game crisis. Rather, there are events that are connected with the mid-game start year (in that they can't happen before that point). People call them mid-game crises because that forms a similarity of parlance with the term end-game crisis, but unlike an end-game crisis there is no limit on how many of those events can occur, and many of them are tied to actions in the game.

So calling them mid-game crises is misleading, in that people come away with the misimpression that they are similar to end-game crises and the misimpression that one always happens. It would be better to call them mid-game events, to avoid confusion.

I do agree with some of this, but the L-Cluster IS a mid-game crisis, alongside the Great Khan and maybe a rebellion (if they're successful they typically become genocidal empires and inherit their spawning empire's industry, which is always huge because they were a materialist empire.) Regarding the L-Cluster, it doesn't become available until the mid-game year date, regardless if anyone has one, and it's treated as a crisis, not because of the Gray Tempest, but because it has several outcomes, the 'crisis' part of it is whether you open it or not and if you do open it, the possible repercussions of doing so. considering that the 3 "crises" I just labeled are huge issues, even if avoidable, a Khan mobilizing is a massive threat that even Federations recognizes as a crisis, as proven by the resolution to focus on them, and the Gray Tempest can easily wipe everything clean if unprepared, but so can the Nanite Empire if the AI pisses them off. The Spectral Wraith I can agree isn't a crisis, it's just a wandering leviathan. and saying that the End-Game crisis is different because they don't have ties to in-game actions is ENTIRELY incorrect if no empire gets Jumpdrives or pass the Extradimensional Studies resolution, the Unbidden is essentially prevented if you look at their weight against the others, if no machine empires exist, or heavy materialist empires don't use robots, the Contengacy is also prevented, there was a reason the Scourge used to be 'the backup' they're the only one that doesn't have any associated trigger. and in many ways, they are still the backup. further, along with triggers, the Great Khan can just happen any time after the Mid-Year date is reached, though there are things you can do to encourage it. and while Machine uprisings are not normally successful, they are a rather massive threat when they do succeed.

[Azor]

bad necro

[Stride]

Maybe we *are* the midgame crisis bro