Is there any reason to play as a regular empire now?

[Fartikus]

I am wondering what the advantages (if any) there are to playing as a regular empire. All this megacorp feature stuff looks like it will have huge advantages for revenue and resource generation. What are the downsides of being a megacorp empire?

[TangoImmortalis]

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Spiritualist/Militarist - Psychic Space Ninja Overlords

You mean Sith

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Militarist/Materialist - " FOR THE EMPEROR"

More like, Militarist / Spiritualist. They are actually the opposite of materialist

Actually I think of the first as a certain psionic blade wielding race. (wasn't into sw, sorry bro)

In your games you can design your Imperium of Man, however you like. Thus the beauty of Stellaris

[Sir Prometeus]

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You mean Sith



More like, Militarist / Spiritualist. They are actually the opposite of materialist

Actually I think of the first as a certain psionic blade wielding race. (wasn't into sw, sorry bro)

In your games you can design your Imperium of Man, however you like. Thus the beauty of Stellaris

If the Emperor is not the most powerful psychic ever existed, it is not the Emperor

[TangoImmortalis]

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Actually I think of the first as a certain psionic blade wielding race. (wasn't into sw, sorry bro)

In your games you can design your Imperium of Man, however you like. Thus the beauty of Stellaris

If the Emperor is not the most powerful psychic ever existed, it is not the Emperor

In everything I've ever read, he's presented as the god emperor of man true.

As to whether he actually has any power....I'm honestly not so sure. Certainly the lore allows for psychics, but how much of what's said about the emperor is to hold a large and disparate population together, in his thrall, and is therefore propaganda? I haven't read everything, but I've yet to even hear of him taking part in the story aside from being "the Emperor". Acceptance of his divine status, (and the testing of yoru belief) is to ensure loyalty, it never proves his divinity. (We can see even where this applies in the real world throughout history.)

Would an Imperial Soldier or Citizen be a spiritualist? Do we define an empire by its citizenry, or its leadership?

While I would certainly agree the Space Marines would be more spiritualist, they do worship machine spirits, and they are also ment to be an elite few with fanatic loyalty... which suggests the majority of the population, is not like them.

Food for thought while I wait the next ouple hours lol...

[scott248]

We always had a penalty for a large empire. The admin cap is just basically the same thing. It is the point at which when you go over it it starts accumulating penalties just like before. As long as you can keep up with your economy and research, going over it isn't that big a deal. It will be 50% greater for Megacorp, but I still do not think it will be that bad going over if you can keep everything in check.

[Garatgh Deloi]

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If the Emperor is not the most powerful psychic ever existed, it is not the Emperor

In everything I've ever read, he's presented as the god emperor of man true.

As to whether he actually has any power....I'm honestly not so sure. Certainly the lore allows for psychics, but how much of what's said about the emperor is to hold a large and disparate population together, in his thrall, and is therefore propaganda? I haven't read everything, but I've yet to even hear of him taking part in the story aside from being "the Emperor". Acceptance of his divine status, (and the testing of yoru belief) is to ensure loyalty, it never proves his divinity. (We can see even where this applies in the real world throughout history.)

Would an Imperial Soldier or Citizen be a spiritualist? Do we define an empire by its citizenry, or its leadership?

While I would certainly agree the Space Marines would be more spiritualist, they do worship machine spirits, and they are also ment to be an elite few with fanatic loyalty... which suggests the majority of the population, is not like them.

Food for thought while I wait the next ouple hours lol...

1. The Emperor is a mega psychic in warhammer 40k. They quite literary use his precense in the warp (a direct correlation to ones psychic ability in the warhammer 40k universe) as a beacon to navigate the universe (they also did this while he was still alive and not sitting on the golden throne, so the throne is not the cause).

2. At the time of warhammer 40k the belief that the emperor is the god-emperor of mankind is a state religion, you quite literaly get killed as a heretic if you express any disbelief, there are whole worlds (called shrine worlds) dedicated to this belief (think temples covering a whole world). Funny thing is, the Emperor tried to create a secular empire (no relgion or gods).

3. Funny that you mention Space marines as spiritualists, since they are pretty much the only group allowed to NOT worship the emperor in the imperium :P (There are several space marine chapters that consider the emperor a man rather then a god, the greatest man to have ever excisted, but a man nontheless). These space marine chapters get away with not worshiping him since they excisted before the religion became a thing and they have proven themselves over and over again (not to mention that they in themselves are considered holy angels of the emperor by those that belive). Also in warhammer 30k (Horus heresy times) they were trying to create the secular empire lead by the emperor.

If you want more insight in the emperor and his imperium i recommend reading the horus heresy books.

[TangoImmortalis]

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In everything I've ever read, he's presented as the god emperor of man true.

As to whether he actually has any power....I'm honestly not so sure. Certainly the lore allows for psychics, but how much of what's said about the emperor is to hold a large and disparate population together, in his thrall, and is therefore propaganda? I haven't read everything, but I've yet to even hear of him taking part in the story aside from being "the Emperor". Acceptance of his divine status, (and the testing of yoru belief) is to ensure loyalty, it never proves his divinity. (We can see even where this applies in the real world throughout history.)

Would an Imperial Soldier or Citizen be a spiritualist? Do we define an empire by its citizenry, or its leadership?

While I would certainly agree the Space Marines would be more spiritualist, they do worship machine spirits, and they are also ment to be an elite few with fanatic loyalty... which suggests the majority of the population, is not like them.

Food for thought while I wait the next ouple hours lol...

1. The Emperor is a mega psychic in warhammer 40k. They quite literary use his precense in the warp (a direct correlation to ones psychic ability in the warhammer 40k universe) as a beacon to navigate the universe (they did this while he was still alive and not sitting on the golden throne).

2. At the time of warhammer 40k the belief that the emperor is the god-emperor of mankind is a state religion, you quite literaly get killed as a heretic if you express any disbelief, there are whole worlds (called shrine worlds) dedicated to this belief (think temples covering a whole world). Funny thing is, the Emperor tried to create a secular empire (no relgion or gods).

3. Funny that you mention Space marines as spiritualists, since they are pretty much the only group allowed to NOT worship the emperor in the imperium :P (There are several space marine chapters that consider the emperor a man rather then a god, the greatest man to have ever excisted, but a man nontheless). These space marine chapters get away with not worshiping him since they excisted before the religion became a thing and they have proven themselves over and over again (not to mention that they in themselves are considered holy angels of the emperor by those that belive). Also in warhammer 30k (Horus heresy times) they were trying to create the secular empire lead by the emperor.

If you want more insight in the emperor and his imperium i recommend reading the horus heresy books.

Thank you for this detailed response!

I had not heard of his direct influence on the warp before, though if i had I may of equated the concept more with the Dune series emperor than the 40k one as I've encountered several mentions of astropaths who guided ships/fleets in warp, and the dune storyline shares quite a few similarities with regards to space travel and the empire of man.

I'll enjoy the reading, the 40k series and the perspectives within it have long been one of my favorites, especially in games where the option to create them as a playable faction is present! While I stand fast that all human empires, will share materialism as a base trait (it is just who we are imho) the concept that this could be, with time, outweighed by spiritualism is certainly worth considering. (If they would be best represented with this mix of ethos, I'll be making adjustments.)

It's still food for thought, that while you can declare a state religion, and execute declared none believers, it does NOT make the entirity of the populace devout believers. (Quite the opposite in fact.) Worth noting that having to launch an 'exterminatus' to quelch heresy suggests there are indeed large portions of the population, who are not simply non believers, but they are also willing to talk, and perhaps even act on that. If the emperor is a god tier psychic, simply being present should be enough to quell any/all possible questions, or doubt, afterall he is a god.

With all of that being said, I consider the Ministry of Truth, to be possibly a cornerstone of any large empire ;)

[Sir Prometeus]

Another group that doesn't specifically believe in the Emperor as a Man-God is the Adeptus Mechanicus. Both Terra and Mars agreed that the Emperor was just a customized skin for the Omnisiah (the platonic concept of Knowledge) so they didn't wage war against one another (probably destroying the Solar System)

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It's still food for thought, that while you can declare a state religion, and execute declared none believers, it does NOT make the entirity of the populace devout believers. (Quite the opposite in fact.) Worth noting that having to launch an 'exterminatus' to quelch heresy suggests there are indeed large portions of the population, who are not simply non believers, but they are also willing to talk, and perhaps even act on that. If the emperor is a god tier psychic, simply being present should be enough to quell any/all possible questions, or doubt, afterall he is a god.

There's the threat of Chaos among disent with the official religion. The Emperor is technically the fifth god of Chaos, born from the Inmaterium.

Some citizens may be seduced by the Chaos and its demons, and that's far more dangerous than political disidents. They have magic powers to open rifts to the Inmaterium

When they exterminate a planet, it has more to do with closing potential openings to the Warp and the demons that live in it.

But yes, there are space pirates. Some of them are the Emperor's natural children (the sensei)

[Garatgh Deloi]

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It's still food for thought, that while you can declare a state religion, and execute declared none believers, it does NOT make the entirity of the populace devout believers. (Quite the opposite in fact.) Worth noting that having to launch an 'exterminatus' to quelch heresy suggests there are indeed large portions of the population, who are not simply non believers, but they are also willing to talk, and perhaps even act on that. If the emperor is a god tier psychic, simply being present should be enough to quell any/all possible questions, or doubt, afterall he is a god.

With all of that being said, I consider the Ministry of Truth, to be possibly a cornerstone of any large empire ;)

As its presented in books most imperial citizens are to varying degrees true belivers, this is caused by a mixure of horrible living standards (hard work, small living areas, bad food, etc) and being indoctrinated into this belief from birth. Even the tech in warhammer 40k is surrounded by religion (The tech priests of mars belive in the omnissiah, another aspect of the emperor, and that machines work becuse the omnissiah has shared some of its divine spirit with the machine, not becuse it should work becuse of something as silly as science).

At the time of warhammer 40k the emperor is either dead or in a coma state (debatable). The emperor himself did not want to be perceived as a god, as mentioned he wanted a secular empire without gods or religion.

Also note that the immaterium (the warp) has a lot of strange effects on the world in the warhammer 40k universe, you can debate that the emperor might actually be a god at this point or that there might be a warp entity believing itself to be the god-emperor, since he have a immeasurable amount of belivers and belief effects the warp wich in turn effects the normal world.

The exterminatus solution is generaly directed to a different form of heresy, that is to say chaos taint (A real thing in warhammer 40k).

[Citronvand]

If you want Warhammer 40K humans you should definitely play spiritual. Imperial Cult civic requires it: "The society has a dominant state religion where the ruler is worshipped as a living deity".

There is also an event where your ruler becomes an extremely powerful psychic and immortal.

[Fartikus]

oh god the thread taken over by extreme nerds. Oh well at least nerds have good grammar.

[Garatgh Deloi]

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oh god the thread taken over by extreme nerds. Oh well at least nerds have good grammar.

Tbh if you play stellaris you probably fall into the extreme nerds catagory :D, Not thats theres anything wrong with that.