Console gamers and late game lag

[Demon of Elru]

Us PC gamers are accustomed to the lag in this game and in PCs games in general. But how do you think console players will take the late game slowing to a crawl?

[Cellar_Cat]

Terribly. I think when you give up any level of freedom in your hardware & software you kind of expect that in return the games you get for that machine are designed to run well on it, because they know exactly what you'll be using.

I haven't really looked into what their plans are for it but I wouldn't be surprised if it involves hard limits on things like galaxy size and AI empires so people don't turn it up to full and throw the console out the window when they get hours into a game and find themselves watching 5 frames go past every couple of seconds.

[CowboyDandy]

Originally posted by DemonKingTeemo:

They wont
We all know what kind of players use consoles:ravenclan:

shut up and stop with the toxic comments

[PsychoJantis44]

Originally posted by DemonKingTeemo:

Originally posted by Peacock:

shut up and stop with the toxic comments

Somebodies :jaune:

It's true though - let me tell you something: UNCHARTED 4.

Stop trolling - PC-Masterrace - and who is crying first: THIS GAME IS NOT OPTIMIZED! MOM! MY 1200 Dollar PC CAN'T HANDLE THE TRUTH!! IT'S THE G AME! IT'S ALWAYS THE GAME!

Well, Stellaris is not that optimized i do understand. But i see often PC gamer complaining about Performance Issues - and Cheater, and its Playerbase going down rapidly after release (BF/CoD).

Same game in GTA 5: Rockstar Games won't release RDR 2 to PC - tell ya: They ♥♥♥♥♥♥ with Modders first, then they call "Modder" Cheater so they split the community into 2 pieces and now they pissed off cuz they can't sell their Sharkcards. Lobbies are full of Cheater etc.

PC Gaming is love but also very problematic to many many Publishers/Developer. Don't forget the greymarket.

Also PS-Exclusives are pretty worth the effort - beautiful singleplayer experiences and the sells going high.

So why hating Gamer playing on Consoles? i'll never understand this hate.

Stellaris was and still is a PC game - and of course they have to change many aspects to maintain a stable Frame-Rate. But you don't have to play it on PS4/Xbox One / X.

You should watch DigitalFoundry.

[Malaficus Shaikan]

Strategy games dont work on consoles.
They tryed many times.
It requirse more control then console's controler has.
Beside arent the newest consoles just crap pc's?
I mean the only reasons to go console over pc is that with a console you put in the disk and can play.
Pc require's installation, bug fixes, modders, etc.

Pc gaming master race is true.
Because like the noble's of old you got to be rich to afford it.
That said.
I dont think it will lag on the console.
Kane's wrath on the console didnt lag because of unit limets.

[PsychoJantis44]

Originally posted by Malaficus Shaikan:

Strategy games dont work on consoles.
.....

You don't need to be rich, a great GPU costs 300-450 Dollar/Euro to play the most games in Ultra settings.

And what do you mean with "they tried it so many times"?

HALO: Wars, Tiberium Wars etc worked perfectly fine on Consoles.

Also you have to install your games on Playstation or Xbox and bug fixes? patches/updates = perfect. No problems.

The reasons for a console is: you pay 400 bucks, have a physical copy of your game which is not 100% useless. No DRM. You can sell your games anytime etc. AWESOME exklusives (PS is much better when it comes to Exclusivity) and the Devs don't sell crap ports (mostly). RDR 2 looking beautiful! even in 30 FPS and the Resolution is above Full-HD standard R.

The PC is the best plattform - i agree.

But look at Rockstar Games, they declared basically war against modder, even called them "Cheater". The most ppl playing on Console for a long time while CoD and BF on PC losing fast many many players.

The most Games on PC are full of Cheater. On Console you see rarely a cheater.

Also you're comparing a game that was released 2008 and came to PC and Xbox 360 with a xbox One X and PS4 Pro Systems - which are obviously much stronger.

And Command and Conquer is a different typ of Strategy Game... obviously you don't need a large army because it's a fast paced game. Base rush is a common tactic in Games like C&Q.

We don't have seen any Stellaris Console GamePlay so we can't be sure how good or bad it will be.

And maybe it may improves the overall Performance - maybe we could benefit... i don't think they're THAT dumb. And yes: if you FIX the Performance YOU HAVE TO downgrade some graphical details or rendering procedure. Same on PC: you can't - overall - fix the Performance issues and keep the graphics and details 100% as it was before. Also many many great new graphical technologies are NVIDIA Only (Ray tracing) - which is the same with Exclusivity on Console. So if AMD can't afford it and have to use their resources on "small" projects cuz they have a lower budget PC gamer theoretical CANNOT enjoy "100 percent pcmasterrace* besides of the Price you pay... (Games Xbox vs PS). AMD working with Sony and Microsoft while NVIDIA is hiding and selling their cards with moon prices... it's like Apple.

[Malaficus Shaikan]

Originally posted by *ULT!MATE* !DOOMED44:

You don't need to be rich, a great GPU costs 300-450 Dollar/Euro to play the most games in Ultra settings.

Correct.
You can get a pc for a console price that does more then just play games and limet your options.

Halo wars and tiberium wars did work yes.
Played them on the xbox360(Xbox360 commited suiced 3 times)
Lovely games.
But from what i read console gamers didnt care for them.
It isnt that they wont work.
It is that they wont sell enough to be worth it.

So you admit there ♥♥♥♥♥ pc's.
If you have to install on a console you might aswhile buy a pc.
You get games and more.

Execpt for the fact you can buy a decent pc, have good games and they want to avoid selling console games aswhile but that is a bit harder to pull off since they selling point of a console is that they dont require registration to work.
Remember that they had to go back on there no backwards compatiability because of the outcry.
Also the only reason to buy a console is for splitscreen multiplayer.
The reason nintendo is doing so well is because it is a console for family parties.

Agreed.

Ofcourse.
No company wants gamers to have the ability to bypass there limetations.
Pc allow players to mod games, run there own servers, etc.
It isnt good for bussinis if gamers make older games beter then what you are selling.
That is a net loss.
As for call of duty and battlefield.
Those people where already console peasents.
Them going to console isnt a loss.
It is just them moving to an other area of populte with there presence.

Ow there are plenty.
There is just effort inst much exposing them.
After all consoles cant be modified.....
Also cheater only apply to multiplayer.
And every multiplayer has a soure loser or two who using unfair programs to win.
Pc just make it easier because you dont need to modify your console to do it.

From what i read the xbox one and ps4 are just crap pc without the advantage of the of pc.
Aka you need to install games, require patche's, buggy game releases without mods to pick up the slack from the developers etc.

I dont doubt that they will make it run.
Rather or not they will make it playable....
Paradox has good idea's but there gameplay is always crap.
The sheer amount of dlc and patch's improving on there games screams:
We release unfished and broken games to make more money.
And fanboys will attack me for this truth.
They only reason paradox sells is because the offer ueniqe games that have no competation.
There is no other game that offers what crusader kings 2 offer, What stellaris offer, What universal offer.
There are half a billion shooters, rpgs, rts, tbs, rtt, etc.
But like eagames with the sims gerne.
They sell because it is a product people want and they dont have competation.
If tommorow a game came out that offers everything that stellaris offer but with good combat.
Players will leave stellaris in droves.
We want our money's worth.
And I agree that games across all platforms are becoming more and more controled.
Good games sell because they are good.
Bad games sell because there is no legal alternative.

[Azunai]

that late game lag is most prominent in large galaxies. if the console hardware can't deal with it, the console version could simply ship with smaller galaxy settings that would keep the game within the limits of the hardware.

[Bozz 💀]

The first question I would ask myself is "What will be the biggest map size on console"
I would not be surprised if they lower it, but I agree with some here, consoles are not ment for strategy games like this one, playing stellaris with a controller will be complicated

[Darkheart]

Unless they massively limit stuff like galexy size and how many empires are in a single game I don't see late game running very well on console.