Is there a way that i can get every system someone owns in a war without claiming it?

[MelonKnepper]

I'm about to go to war with a fallen empire and i don't have enough influence to claim all their systems, but i still want their sweet planets.

They have -350 opinion of 1 of my allies(defensive pact) but if i have to go to war with them i would rather have it be on my own terms and not my allies.

So i was wondering if i could get their systems without having to claim them all because i don't have enough time to get the influence to claim them.

[MelonKnepper]

It seems that its only their capital planet that actually has the cool buildings so i don't have to claim all their systems, but im still wondering if you can conqour them without having to claim all of their systems.

[Gafwmn]

yep....IF there are no other claimes on the system from any others , the systems should revert to explored but NOT surveyed AFTER you crush them......then go survey and take when you are ready.....provided 6 other empires are not also looking at those systems and have lane access to those same systems.
Thats providing that you captured ALL of his occupied planets and starbases.

[Elitewrecker PT]

The best answer is: yes, if you can get a total war cause.

[MelonKnepper]

What is total war causes? Is it something like purging or alike?

[Meewec]

Originally posted by ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥:

What is total war causes? Is it something like purging or alike?

It's what purifiers, exterminators, devourers and assimilators have as a war declaration. Also if you have a colossus you can use it. Basically the instant a system is captured during those wars it switches ownership with no influence needed

[Danny]

Originally posted by Meewec:

Originally posted by ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥:

What is total war causes? Is it something like purging or alike?

It's what purifiers, exterminators, devourers and assimilators have as a war declaration. Also if you have a colossus you can use it. Basically the instant a system is captured during those wars it switches ownership with no influence needed

Why does owning a colossus give you a total war cause?

[tempest.of.emptiness]

If your enemy surrenders and you are the only participant in the war then you will get all their systems, even ones you haven't claimed. It is very unlikely that the enemy will surrender, and if they surrender and you have allies then some of those systems might go to allies who have claims on them instead of going to you.

Certain types of war declaration are considered "total war". In those kinds of war, when someone fully occupies an enemy system they will immediately gain control of it, instead of at the end of the war, without the need to claim the system. The full list can be found here: https://stellaris.paradoxwikis.com/Warfare . Look for the "(Total War)" in the Surrender Acceptance column. Note that if you have allies in the war that they may gain control of some systems, instead of you, if they occupy the system or if they have a pre-existing claim on a system you occupy.

So, if you really want their systems then the best way is a total war without any allies. Just make sure to take all their systems without planets before you take their last system with a planet, because if they lose all their planets then any systems without planets that they still control will become uncontrolled when their empire ceases to exist.

[tempest.of.emptiness]

Originally posted by Danny:

Why does owning a colossus give you a total war cause?

It signals to the galaxy that you are ready for a higher form of warfare. Note that when you own a colossus it also unlocks a total war cause for your enemies against you.

[MelonKnepper]

Originally posted by tempest.of.emptiness:

If your enemy surrenders and you are the only participant in the war then you will get all their systems, even ones you haven't claimed. It is very unlikely that the enemy will surrender, and if they surrender and you have allies then some of those systems might go to allies who have claims on them instead of going to you.

Certain types of war declaration are considered "total war". In those kinds of war, when someone fully occupies an enemy system they will immediately gain control of it, instead of at the end of the war, without the need to claim the system. The full list can be found here: https://stellaris.paradoxwikis.com/Warfare . Look for the "(Total War)" in the Surrender Acceptance column. Note that if you have allies in the war that they may gain control of some systems, instead of you, if they occupy the system or if they have a pre-existing claim on a system you occupy.

So, if you really want their systems then the best way is a total war without any allies. Just make sure to take all their systems without planets before you take their last system with a planet, because if they lose all their planets then any systems without planets that they still control will become uncontrolled when their empire ceases to exist.

Thanks for the information :)

[Elitewrecker PT]

Originally posted by tempest.of.emptiness:

If your enemy surrenders and you are the only participant in the war then you will get all their systems, even ones you haven't claimed.

I don't think this is right. Full victory just allows you to get your claims WITHOUT needing them occupied, although managing that is very very hard because of the inherent "unoccupied claims" acceptance penalty.

[mcsproot]

Generally no. Under 'normal' war, when it ends you will automatically gain control of any systems you fully captured (starbase and planets) that you claimed. A War of Conquest simply reduces the Threat diplomatic penalty for seizing claims.

You will get claims during any other war. For example, I claimed most of the unihabited systems of my neighbour, then initiated a war of subjegation. At the end of the war I gained the systems I claimed and they became my vassal.

Total War is a unique form of war. It's only available to the Genocidal empires, Awakened Empires, Assimilators or any empire that completes a Colossus. If your opponent is able to use these types of war against you, you can generally also initiate Total War against them using the Containment Casius Beli.

In Total War, system's aren't simply captured temporarily. As soon as the starbase and all planets are occupied, control will instantly switch to the attacker.

[MelonKnepper]

Originally posted by mcsproot:

Generally no. Under 'normal' war, when it ends you will automatically gain control of any systems you fully captured (starbase and planets) that you claimed. A War of Conquest simply reduces the Threat diplomatic penalty for seizing claims.

You will get claims during any other war. For example, I claimed most of the unihabited systems of my neighbour, then initiated a war of subjegation. At the end of the war I gained the systems I claimed and they became my vassal.

Total War is a unique form of war. It's only available to the Genocidal empires, Awakened Empires, Assimilators or any empire that completes a Colossus. If your opponent is able to use these types of war against you, you can generally also initiate Total War against them using the Containment Casius Beli.

In Total War, system's aren't simply captured temporarily. As soon as the starbase and all planets are occupied, control will instantly switch to the attacker.

Thats really interestring, i just got synthetic evolution, do you know if i could do an assimilation war on some of the spiritualists biggots in my galaxy? :)

[mcsproot]

Originally posted by ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥:

Originally posted by mcsproot:

Generally no. Under 'normal' war, when it ends you will automatically gain control of any systems you fully captured (starbase and planets) that you claimed. A War of Conquest simply reduces the Threat diplomatic penalty for seizing claims.

You will get claims during any other war. For example, I claimed most of the unihabited systems of my neighbour, then initiated a war of subjegation. At the end of the war I gained the systems I claimed and they became my vassal.

Total War is a unique form of war. It's only available to the Genocidal empires, Awakened Empires, Assimilators or any empire that completes a Colossus. If your opponent is able to use these types of war against you, you can generally also initiate Total War against them using the Containment Casius Beli.

In Total War, system's aren't simply captured temporarily. As soon as the starbase and all planets are occupied, control will instantly switch to the attacker.

Thats really interestring, i just got synthetic evolution, do you know if i could do an assimilation war on some of the spiritualists biggots in my galaxy? :)

While Synthetic Evolution does allow for the Assimilation 'citizen rights' type, it's different than the Assimilation (Total War) Casus Beli that Driven Assimilator Machine Empires have.

Then again I haven't been a Synthetic Evolution empire for a few patches now so it may have changed since then.

[galadon3]

Originally posted by mcsproot:

Then again I haven't been a Synthetic Evolution empire for a few patches now so it may have changed since then.

Nope your info is still good, the synth evolution empires don't get that CB under the actual patch either.

[tempest.of.emptiness]

Originally posted by Elitewrecker PT:

Originally posted by tempest.of.emptiness:

If your enemy surrenders and you are the only participant in the war then you will get all their systems, even ones you haven't claimed.

I don't think this is right. Full victory just allows you to get your claims WITHOUT needing them occupied, although managing that is very very hard because of the inherent "unoccupied claims" acceptance penalty.

Good point, you are correct. The link I added shows the outcome of a surrender if it does happen, and for a claims war you only get your claimed systems if the enemy surrenders, as you said. Other types of wars have different effects upon surrender. However, the only ones that list annexation (what I was describing) are total wars. So that was confusion on my part. Thank you for the correction.