Ideology war effect

[DarkSepho]

Hi guys, it's my first game..
What's the actual effect of winning an ideology war? I mean, what do i get for imposing them my ethics?
If I choose status quo it says it will release a new empire which will be my subject, which sounds better to me

[Warlock Raccoon]

Imposing your ethics on another empire will make them more agreeable to you. They'll be more likely to become your ally. It's most useful when your trying to get a federation victory, since successfully imposing ideologies makes it much easier to recruit them into your federation.

Status quos on liberation wars will make another empire, but it won't be your subject. It will simply have the same ethics as you, but it has a long lasting "liberated" opinion modifier that increases their opinion of you.

[DarkSepho]

Originally posted by Warlock Raccoon:

Imposing your ethics on another empire will make them more agreeable to you. They'll be more likely to become your ally. It's most useful when your trying to get a federation victory, since successfully imposing ideologies makes it much easier to recruit them into your federation.

Status quos on liberation wars will make another empire, but it won't be your subject. It will simply have the same ethics as you, but it has a long lasting "liberated" opinion modifier that increases their opinion of you.

Thanks, the game isn't very clear on that..
So I will basically get a similar thing, a potential ally, but in case of status quo it wil get split

[Jagothegamer]

Originally posted by DarkSepho:

Originally posted by Warlock Raccoon:

Imposing your ethics on another empire will make them more agreeable to you. They'll be more likely to become your ally. It's most useful when your trying to get a federation victory, since successfully imposing ideologies makes it much easier to recruit them into your federation.

Status quos on liberation wars will make another empire, but it won't be your subject. It will simply have the same ethics as you, but it has a long lasting "liberated" opinion modifier that increases their opinion of you.

Thanks, the game isn't very clear on that..
So I will basically get a similar thing, a potential ally, but in case of status quo it wil get split

Only if you have captured at least one of their planets.

[Azunai]

if you win the war (by forcing surrender), the whole target empire gets converted to your ethos. if you status quo, only the parts you occupied by that point get converted (as a separate new empire split off from the main empire).

so the status quo is basically a partial version of the full wargoal. the status quo for ideology wars is a recent change. originally, you had to win the war or got nothing at all out of it.

the main use of the impose ideology wargoal is for federations. it turns a former enemy into a potential new federation member. they get a very large opnion boost towards you if you win, so they will usually agree to join your federation if you ask them to.

[galadon3]

The problem with this one is that they basically rolled two tools into one.

If you fight a big empire completely subverting it to your ethics will make them a likely ally / fed-member but conquering a part and breaking it out of the bigger empire with a white peace might get you a potential vassal, while weakening the bigger empire.
Those are two different goals but well the breaking a smaller empire out of a bigger one was gone as an option with 2.0 and was worked back in this way, instead of just making it a new kind of war.... but well overall the wargoal system is pretty unwieldy compared to for example the "fight war and then pick peace-conditions at the end"-system of europa universalis