Government Ethic changing

[mirco]

When you pick your ethics for you empire at the start of a game you get 3 "points" to invest.
But when you want to change your ethics to factions how does the game decise when ethics are going to be lost to make room for new ones??

Right now I am a Fanatic Materialist and Egalitarian, and I want to change to xenophobic.

Does it by default pick the Fanatic ethic to compensate or does it has an other methode of selecting what ethic is going to make room for a new one??

Is there a way to control what ethic??

Any and all information is welcome.

[GweenBlath]

i am not shure but from me playing game i noticed that: in order to achive ethic change to xenophobic you should turn on in empire polises this - initial borders to closed, initial contact -agressive, core worlds - citizen only , purge - allowed or displacement , no refugies, so in a manner you isolate your empire from others,have no migration treaties and closed borders to empires next to you ,also is good to have one spices.when xenophobic fraction appear ,turn on support for it in fraction managment and chose fraction leader to empire leader,it will take time but eventualy your empire should change ethic,and as far i know it will not change fanatical ethic ,but will replace normal ethic,witch one depence from current support for ethic from fractions in your empire. hope this is help full.

[mirco]

Originally posted by gweenblath:

i am not shure but from me playing game i noticed that: in order to achive ethic change to xenophobic you should turn on in empire polises this - initial borders to closed, initial contact -agressive, core worlds - citizen only , purge - allowed or displacement , no refugies, so in a manner you isolate your empire from others,have no migration treaties and closed borders to empires next to you ,also is good to have one spices.when xenophobic fraction appear ,turn on support for it in fraction managment and chose fraction leader to empire leader,it will take time but eventualy your empire should change ethic,and as far i know it will not change fanatical ethic ,but will replace normal ethic,witch one depence from current support for ethic from fractions in your empire. hope this is help full.

Thanks, it should indeed pretty logical that the state of the other factions would effect the outcome now that I think about it.

I already got all the support and the faction I need. Now just the influence x_x

[GweenBlath]

i found this in paradox forum:
Fraction Interactions (Free Feature)
Also mentioned in Dev Diary #54 was the ability to use Factions to shift your Governing Ethics. The new Faction Interaction system allows you to both influence which Ethics will take root in your empire, as well as change your Governing Ethics when a particular Ethic grows strong enough. Each Ethic has at least one associated faction, such as the Supremacist Faction for Xenophobes, and by promoting or suppressing that faction you can spend a monthly influence cost to increase or decrease the attraction of its associated Ethic across your empire. If a faction grows strong enough, you can also Embrace that faction, shifting your Governing Ethics to more closely align with theirs.

In most cases, shifting your Governing Ethics will involve moving a single step towards that ethic, for example moving from Xenophobe to Fanatic Xenophobe or from Fanatic Xenophile to Xenophile if shifting towards Xenophobe. As this will typically result in having too many or too few Governing Ethics, it will also automatically adjust your other ethics to follow the 3 ethics points rule, downgrading, upgrading, removing or adding ethics as necessary. Which ethic is lost or added is determined by attraction, so if you are Spiritualist, Xenophobe and Authoritarian and make a shift towards Militarist, whichever of Spiritualist, Xenophobe and Authoritarian has the lowest attraction in your empire will be lost as a Governing Ethic.

[Rord64]

Your government will never change ethics on its own. The pops will, but only the player can change the overall ethics.

[mirco]

Originally posted by Rord64:

Your government will never change ethics on its own. The pops will, but only the player can change the overall ethics.

I know, but ethics need to be given up in order to add the ones you like.

[GweenBlath]

Originally posted by Rord64:

Your government will never change ethics on its own. The pops will, but only the player can change the overall ethics.

Hmm ..Shroud change my empire ethic to Authoritarian from Xenophobe... I changed back to xenophobe by syporting my fraction....

[Rord64]

Originally posted by gweenblath:

Originally posted by Rord64:

Your government will never change ethics on its own. The pops will, but only the player can change the overall ethics.

Hmm ..Shroud change my empire ethic to Authoritarian from Xenophobe... I changed back to xenophobe by syporting my fraction....

Yes, but YOU pressed the button during the shroud event. You didn't have to switch ethics. It was a choice.

[Schanez]

As it works now, if you are as you mentioned Fanatic Materialist and Egalitarian and want to adopt the Xenophobic Ethic, your Fanatic Materialist will be demoted to Materialist and you will gain the Xenophobe Ethic.

Later after 20 years have passed you can attempt to once more regain the Fanatic Materialist Ethic, but either Xenophobe or Egalitarian will be lost. The one abandoned will be the one with lowest support amongst your population.

You can try to micromanage it, by taking actions to support the Xenophobe and undermine the Egalitarian faction before declering the shift to Fanatic Materialist.

[mirco]

Originally posted by Schanez:

As it works now, if you are as you mentioned Fanatic Materialist and Egalitarian and want to adopt the Xenophobic Ethic, your Fanatic Materialist will be demoted to Materialist and you will gain the Xenophobe Ethic.

Later after 20 years have passed you can attempt to once more regain the Fanatic Materialist Ethic, but either Xenophobe or Egalitarian will be lost. The one abandoned will be the one with lowest support amongst your population.

You can try to micromanage it, by taking actions to support the Xenophobe and undermine the Egalitarian faction before declering the shift to Fanatic Materialist.

Thanks