War for Vassals Failure

[Northlander]

So I've won 3 wars versus the same guy when I declare to force him to become my vassal and he never does. He's still the vassal of somebody else.

Can you declare war for a condition that's impossible to achieve or is there something I'm missing here?

[DrUltraLux]

Are you pushing claims or status quo?

It might be bugging out as he is already someone else's vassal.

[Northlander]

I demand they vassal, they refuse, then I declare war to vassalize

[Gokki]

yap same here. Did like you to vassalise an independent empire (i checked) bordering me. captured everything in their empire and destroyed all fleets. I still had -100 wargoals so i couldn't vassalise and eventually it automatically finished the war and i gained nothing. The current system is broken. I'm not playing until it is fixed.

[DrUltraLux]

You need to assault the planets as well. You have to conquer their capital planet and any planets you hold claims on.

[Gokki]

I did invade all planets, absolutely wrecked them. Still lost it.

[Prowl]

Originally posted by Gokki:

I did invade all planets, absolutely wrecked them. Still lost it.

You need 100%, if you wreck their fleets and take all their stuff but it isn't 100% then you need to start doing the same to any allies, in this case that would be their current overlord.

[Gokki]

i took all systems, invaded all planets, killed all ships and destroyed all stations. Still -100 Wargoals.

[VipreRX]

Originally posted by Northlander:

So I've won 3 wars versus the same guy when I declare to force him to become my vassal and he never does. He's still the vassal of somebody else.

I read that right, you declared a vassalization war on somone elses vassal?

[Northlander]

Originally posted by VipreRX:

Originally posted by Northlander:

So I've won 3 wars versus the same guy when I declare to force him to become my vassal and he never does. He's still the vassal of somebody else.

I read that right, you declared a vassalization war on somone elses vassal?

Believe so. He's somebody else vassal now at the very least

[BaneBlackGuard]

doesn't seem like you should be able to take someone elses vassal without destroying them too. unless i'm misunderstanding it is sounding like you you are trying to steal another empires vassal without having to engage that empire directly.

[Northlander]

pretty much. at this point I'm thinking I'm able to declare a war for a victory condition that isn't attainable. Seems like there should be a "hey, you won't win anything if you win" style of warning there

[Lich King]

I just posted a similar issue but haven't gotten a response. "make a vassal" was an available war goal, so I choose it and went to war. There were no warnings that it was impossible.

In my case I declared war on this independant empire, crushed all fleets, invaded and hold every one of his planets, and even took every single system. He has no allies, and no overlord. No one else joined the war. Why, then, is the warscore still at -70? The war then ended, with status quo and he is now free to build up again and I get nothing.

Whatever the issue is, allowing war goals to be pushed through that are unattainable for some unknown reason is pretty silly, and was one few things that was so clear when declaring war in former patches. It was simple (if your goals went over 100, you wouldn't be able to achieve them). I am not sure how they could have missed this. I suspect they were trying to make the war goals easier to use for causal players, rather than wading through a large list of planets to liberate or cede.

[Northlander]

Yeah, I like the way the new war goals are setup with claims and whatnot, but it seems there are a lot of cases where it's not working the way I'm expecting it to

[MightyFox]

If they belong to another lord, they are not independent and so can't become someone else's vassal unless the Lord is defeated as well. That means the first thing you would have to do is a liberation war, to free said vassal, then conquer them and make them yours.

But anyway, vassalization as a whole does seem a bit skewed, and is not something the devs have worked on yet with thier hot patches. Give it time, they are addressing all the problems they can.

[Gokki]

Originally posted by Magic Jack:

I just posted a similar issue but haven't gotten a response. "make a vassal" was an available war goal, so I choose it and went to war. There were no warnings that it was impossible.

In my case I declared war on this independant empire, crushed all fleets, invaded and hold every one of his planets, and even took every single system. He has no allies, and no overlord. No one else joined the war. Why, then, is the warscore still at -70? The war then ended, with status quo and he is now free to build up again and I get nothing.

Whatever the issue is, allowing war goals to be pushed through that are unattainable for some unknown reason is pretty silly, and was one few things that was so clear when declaring war in former patches. It was simple (if your goals went over 100, you wouldn't be able to achieve them). I am not sure how they could have missed this. I suspect they were trying to make the war goals easier to use for causal players, rather than wading through a large list of planets to liberate or cede.

Exact same issue, kinda quit the game until it is fixed.