Gestalt consciousness perspective?

[Malaficus Shaikan]

I am curious:
How do you think gestalt consciousness see the galaxie?
Through a million eye's?
Like an rts commander with assuming direct control interface?

While machine empire's are easy to imagine as a pyramid command structure where lesser ai do the job there design to do.
In the same way soldiers in rts carry out there orders without any sense of self preservation.

I find it alot harder to think how the organice hive minds see things.

Are they pre senties given purpose by a shround entity who uses them as drones?
Are the one person in many bodies?
Can for example: the hive mind loss pop to the factor event?
If so why if the hive is one person it shoud know what caused the bodies to go missing.
If not then how those the hive mind releation to drones work?

Likewise does the hive mind see drones as expendable(machine minds probley would as there mostly just robots with limeted programming)
Or as something to protect as it is part of its bodiy?

How do you think Gestalt consciousness see the galaxie?

[Half Phased]

Depends on the gestalt. Does each drone contain some intelligence, or is the consciousness concentrated into a few controlling points?

Does the overall consciousness see the galaxy as something to conquer, or to coexist?

[Dione]

I see it like this

gestalt consciousness is like a slightly desensitized mind in millions of bodies, looking through eyes of every living thing being part of consciousness, able of ordering masses of drones with single thought and suggesting semi autonomous which are drones with their own but dependant will

[Mistfox]

Strangely enough, I don't think a real gestalt intelligence would see the galaxy as "territory". It's something like the Chinese in the past, unlike the Europeans, they don't go around claiming land because to them land without people is just worthless rock. What they did instead was go around making vassals because to them, people were the important resource, not territory, so they went around setting up tributary empires from the natives living in the region.

I suspect a gestalt intelligence would have a similar viewpoint, only organics that live and interact matter, not lifeless rock that happen to sit in a "strategic" area.

[Grimch]

I like to think of it as a more streamlined player. You act as one think as one but set all the moving parts in motion, all working towards the same goal. Just imagine if everyone on earth was you and strictly functioned as effectively as possible.

[Mistfox]

Originally posted by Teenus:

Just imagine if everyone on earth was you

To put it in the words of my sister "God must hate the world then".

[ppaladin123]

I think hiveminds are "psionic" without being explicitly psionic in game terms (which is sort of annoying actually). Each individual is an extension of a single mind...basically acting as a neuron in a brain. More individuals mean more brainpower and access to more sensate experience (and more memories) but there are also reasons it might not want to expand too fast or too far:

First, if you are autistic or get migranes or have any sort of sensitivity to light/sound/smell, you can imagine that sensation could be overwhelming to the hivemind if too much or too varied. That might be a problem if it spreads to disparate world with very different environments or at least environments that are veryb different from where it evolved.

Second, we all have metacognition...thoughts about thoughts. That is regret and ambivalence and desired self-improvement. And that is driven by experience and memory. And a hivemind might have too many memories and too many experiences pulling it in different directions if it spreads to quickly/too far. I can imagine hiveminds suffering from mental illnesses and starting to fracture in that case.

As for its goals..I think a hivemind could have a "personality" just like we do. It could be aggressive or curious or introspective. And I imagine it could change over time just as our personalities do though the changes could be more severe/dangerous if it is the kind of bive mind that can assimilate new species.

[ppaladin123]

I think one weird thing about a hivemind is that we evolved as social beings with language, and the ability to detect the emotions and motives of others. A hivemind is/was utterly alone and probably has no idea how to even begin to approach another life form or lifeforms. It's not like meeting another alien species for the firts time and having communication problems/cultural barriers to understanding....it's like meeting another thinking being for the first time ever. A hivemind probabkly doesn't have some of the basic emotions we have: lonliness, jealous. shame because it never had an "other" to interact wtih so "social" emotions never evolved.

[Malaficus Shaikan]

Originally posted by ppaladin123:

I think hiveminds are "psionic" without being explicitly psionic in game terms (which is sort of annoying actually). Each individual is an extension of a single mind...basically acting as a neuron in a brain. More individuals mean more brainpower and access to more sensate experience (and more memories) but there are also reasons it might not want to expand too fast or too far:

First, if you are autistic or get migranes or have any sort of sensitivity to light/sound/smell, you can imagine that sensation could be overwhelming to the hivemind if too much or too varied. That might be a problem if it spreads to disparate world with very different environments or at least environments that are veryb different from where it evolved.

Second, we all have metacognition...thoughts about thoughts. That is regret and ambivalence and desired self-improvement. And that is driven by experience and memory. And a hivemind might have too many memories and too many experiences pulling it in different directions if it spreads to quickly/too far. I can imagine hiveminds suffering from mental illnesses and starting to fracture in that case.

As for its goals..I think a hivemind could have a "personality" just like we do. It could be aggressive or curious or introspective. And I imagine it could change over time just as our personalities do though the changes could be more severe/dangerous if it is the kind of bive mind that can assimilate new species.

Nice.
Definity going to use this when making my hive mind.

Originally posted by ppaladin123:

I think one weird thing about a hivemind is that we evolved as social beings with language, and the ability to detect the emotions and motives of others. A hivemind is/was utterly alone and probably has no idea how to even begin to approach another life form or lifeforms. It's not like meeting another alien species for the firts time and having communication problems/cultural barriers to understanding....it's like meeting another thinking being for the first time ever. A hivemind probabkly doesn't have some of the basic emotions we have: lonliness, jealous. shame because it never had an "other" to interact wtih so "social" emotions never evolved.

I thought the same.
I pretend that time you take researching new allian lifeform is you studying how to community with a different being.
Being a hive mind you progress the information alot faster then todlers.

[Mistfox]

Remember the book Ender's Game? The war started because the alien hivemind could not grasp the concept of individual consciousness, so to it, losing a few "ants" on the periphery of it's network was nothing to it, they were mindless drones anyway and a form of "here I am" communication but for humans it was a massacre since "they" valued every single life as an individual.